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Old September 11 2009, 01:07 PM   #331
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

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So... in a matter of about a week, I should have a functional WinXP64 installation running on some pretty powerful hardware, and will be able to load and manipulate this beast without any problems. The big surprise in this whole thing was finding out just how much more capable XP64 is than Vista64 or Win7 64. Or rather, how much more garbage is running on the later OSs which bog everything down.
Quite an eye opener, isn't it? There is a reason I run mostly Linux - it is lighter weight, and allows me to run only what I want to without all the horrid "bloat" of the newer Windows platforms. Sure, there isn't a sound associated with every single move of the mouse, nor fancy animated graphics that dance around continuously, nor "wizards" that try to do things for me that I don't want to do... so, I'm not missing much. Where I run Windows, it's XP, and I have it configured to not do all that extra stuff that looks "cool" but only really hogs resources.
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Old September 11 2009, 04:20 PM   #332
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

I agree. I've got a P4, with 512 MB ram and an old videocard, and I can 3D just fine, as long as I'm using a nLited Windows XP installation with all the unnecessary junk taken out and services disabled. Simply buying new hardware is more the "brute" approach.
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Old September 11 2009, 07:30 PM   #333
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P4? pfft thats way to modern.

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Old September 11 2009, 07:50 PM   #334
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P4? pfft thats way to modern.

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My original IBM XT and my P 3105 exhanging files via a nullmodem

I haven't heard many complaints about the capabilities of my old computer:

with the 48K of ram (up from the basic 32K), and TWO floppy drives. And a COLOR monitor.

(What used to pass for advanced, I tell ya).
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Old September 11 2009, 09:33 PM   #335
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

I heard a year or two ago, that someone had discovered a 1988 Apple IIgs in its unopened shipping box, everything factory-original and "new". They opened it up and it worked fine, including the boot-up floppy diskettes.
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Old September 12 2009, 01:46 AM   #336
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

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I heard a year or two ago, that someone had discovered a 1988 Apple IIgs in its unopened shipping box, everything factory-original and "new". They opened it up and it worked fine, including the boot-up floppy diskettes.
I hope they remembered to send in the registration cards!
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Old September 12 2009, 02:17 AM   #337
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

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I heard a year or two ago, that someone had discovered a 1988 Apple IIgs in its unopened shipping box, everything factory-original and "new". They opened it up and it worked fine, including the boot-up floppy diskettes.
I hope they remembered to send in the registration cards!
I can't imagine the look on the faces of Apple employees if they receive those cards in the mail. Maybe they'll offer a free upgrade?

In a big way, though, that's not that surprising.

Look at the Atari 2600 compared to something like the Xbox360. The 360 is lightyears ahead in terms of computing power, but it bricks itself at the drop of a hat. The solid-state hardware in the 2600, however, is practically bulletproof.

Hell, I still get far more use out of my N64 than my 1st-gen Xbox. Sure, the Xbox may be HD compatible whereas the N64 is only limited to component inputs at best (and very few games have a 16:9 option to really warrant play on an HDTV,) but there's no danger of overheating or games skipping.
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Old September 12 2009, 04:13 AM   #338
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

^ "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..."

Kinda gives Scotty's words new meaning, doesn't it?
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Old September 12 2009, 05:26 AM   #339
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^ "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..."

Kinda gives Scotty's words new meaning, doesn't it?
Well, I'm not really mad about abandoning solid-state hardware in gaming consoles, mainly because they'd take up as much space as my old big-screen TV at this point.
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Old September 12 2009, 11:02 AM   #340
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You can still get 64bit xp pro at newegg. I'd go with Vista/Win7 just because XP is getting a bit long in the tooth. Also I'd wait til Dx11 cards came out.

If you want XP though, then there's no point in getting a DX11 card and the 295 you are looking at sure is a kickass DX9 card.
Well, I've got MOST of my new hardware up and running now... although not installed into my main system yet (at least I know everything's working).

My water-cooling hardware for the MOSFETs and motherboard chipset arrived today, so this weekend I'll probably get that installed and migrate this motherboard/CPU/memory combo into my main system. I've got 12GB of ram (the mobo can handle 24, but nobody's really selling 4GB sticks yet) but won't be able to SEE it 'til I install WinXP64

I'm leaving XP32 installed and dual-booting into 64 for things where I need it, for now at least. I know I didn't want Vista, but from what I've seen on my "Win7" installation, I'm underwhelmed... and most comparative benchmarks show that if you CAN run under WinXP64, you'll run significantly faster than in 64 Vista or 64 Win7, and my 3DMark and PCMark results (on the same hardware) have been pretty poor with Win7, compared to what I get running WinXP32 on the same hardware. This might be an issue with the benchmarks, though... still, these are the most common benchmark apps out there, so that seems odd.

So... in a matter of about a week, I should have a functional WinXP64 installation running on some pretty powerful hardware, and will be able to load and manipulate this beast without any problems. The big surprise in this whole thing was finding out just how much more capable XP64 is than Vista64 or Win7 64. Or rather, how much more garbage is running on the later OSs which bog everything down.
I can't argue with any of that. If you don't care about or need anything beyond Dx9, then I can't think of anything Vista/Win7 offers. Possibly OpenCL for Win7, but I'm not certain about that. XP functionally probaby uses about 1/4 the resources that Vista uses. I'm still running XP myself, but I am considering Win7.
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Old September 12 2009, 04:17 PM   #341
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

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^ "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..."

Kinda gives Scotty's words new meaning, doesn't it?
Well, I'm not really mad about abandoning solid-state hardware in gaming consoles, mainly because they'd take up as much space as my old big-screen TV at this point.
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Old September 12 2009, 04:19 PM   #342
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^^ Boy, is THAT an eye opener.
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Old September 12 2009, 04:39 PM   #343
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Re: Another take on the Original Enterprise...

^^^
My favorite part is the big ol' ship's steering wheel! I'm kinda disappointed that my actual home computer doesn't have one. Also, I would like a huge bank of dials and levers. If this contraption doesn't scream mad scientist I'm not sure what does!

--Alex

P.S. What the heck is Fortran language? I guess I'll have to look that one up.
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Old September 12 2009, 04:45 PM   #344
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It's a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!
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Old September 12 2009, 04:55 PM   #345
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HA!

That's great too. So the ship's wheel was ACTUALLY A SHIP'S WHEEL! Hilarious!

So I looked up Fortran language. Fascinating reading. It also debunks the above picture as a fraud since the caption implies the article was from 1954 but the first Fortran manual was printed in 1956. though the idea was being worked on as early as 1953. So ... whatever. I guess.

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