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Old April 21 2009, 07:45 PM   #46
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Re: Reunification - makes no sense?

The bit about Nimoy sounds roughly like what I'd heard before, but I've never heard that Mark Lenard requested Sarek be killed, or that he had a fear of the quality.
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Old April 22 2009, 03:37 AM   #47
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Gene Roddenberry was very much alive during the production Unification, which makes the Mark Leonard story complete hogwash. Roddenberry died during the filming "Hero Worship."

And they didn't shoot Nimoy's scenes in one day. They did film Part 2 before Part 1 in order to accomodate Nimoy's schedule. I'm not sure where you're getting your info...
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Old April 22 2009, 05:25 AM   #48
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Gene Roddenberry was very much alive during the production Unification, which makes the Mark Leonard story complete hogwash. Roddenberry died during the filming "Hero Worship."
Roddenberry died during filming of Hero Worship (5x11). Unification was 5x07-08. But I don't know the production orders of those two episodes.

ETA: Unification was produced before Hero Worship but had the Gene Roddenberry memorial title card when it aired.
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Old April 22 2009, 11:41 PM   #49
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good point be 2000 romulans against all of vulcan
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Old April 23 2009, 12:14 AM   #50
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Roddenberry died during filming of Hero Worship (5x11). Unification was 5x07-08. But I don't know the production orders of those two episodes.

ETA: Unification was produced before Hero Worship but had the Gene Roddenberry memorial title card when it aired.
Yes, Roddenberry was gone before Unification aired, but it had already been filmed.
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Old April 23 2009, 12:23 PM   #51
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Re: Reunification - makes no sense?

further up this thread alot of posts were about the 'plot hole' of how on earth the romulans would have been able to capture and hold vulcan. I may be wrong on this one, but i was under the impression that because vulcans are pacifists they dont really have much a strong defence system in place and that they rely on the protection of the federation...
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Old April 23 2009, 12:33 PM   #52
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Re: Reunification - makes no sense?

Since when are Vulcans pacifists? They're logical, not spineless. There's plenty of logic in defending from invasion.
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Old April 24 2009, 12:07 AM   #53
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Lt.Cmdr.LaForge wrote: View Post
further up this thread alot of posts were about the 'plot hole' of how on earth the romulans would have been able to capture and hold vulcan. I may be wrong on this one, but i was under the impression that because vulcans are pacifists they dont really have much a strong defence system in place and that they rely on the protection of the federation...
There is speculation that some Federation starships are manned almost entirely by a Vulcan crew (as evidenced by the USS Intrepid in TOS).

Also, the Vulcans had many a space battle, esp with the Andorians, during ENT.
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Old April 24 2009, 01:07 AM   #54
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Re: Reunification - makes no sense?

I doubt the Vulcan Defence Force was armed with simply strong words. While Vulcans seemed to prefer non-lethal solutions we know that Vulcan fought in at least the Dominion War so likely other conflicts and Mr. Tuvok being chief of security seems a little odd if they are were a race of pacifists.


If it came to it they would have blown those ships out of the sky
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Old April 27 2009, 07:04 PM   #55
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davidant32 wrote: View Post
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further up this thread alot of posts were about the 'plot hole' of how on earth the romulans would have been able to capture and hold vulcan. I may be wrong on this one, but i was under the impression that because vulcans are pacifists they dont really have much a strong defence system in place and that they rely on the protection of the federation...
There is speculation that some Federation starships are manned almost entirely by a Vulcan crew (as evidenced by the USS Intrepid in TOS).

Also, the Vulcans had many a space battle, esp with the Andorians, during ENT.
Captain Silva LaForge's USS Hera from 'Interface' was said to have had a crew of mostly Vulcans. The USS T'Kumbra from 'Take Me Out to the Holosuite' specifically had an all-Vulcan crew. Both were over a century after the Intrepid, so it seems clear that the increased presence of alien crewmen aboard our Hero facilities does not necessarily indicate full species integration.

Alternatively, it could mean that Vulcans are a special case of having their 'own' ships - and perhaps so are certain other races?
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Old April 28 2009, 12:45 AM   #56
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Re: Reunification - makes no sense?

I was talking with Timo once, and I think we (or at least I) figured that the T'Kumbra wasn't all-Vulcan by design, but by expediency. Captain Jerkwad, probably newly promoted to command rank due to the pressures of war after being held back for years due to his overt and very un-Federation racism, was given a ship newly built/refitted at the Vulcan fleet yards, and, exploiting Starfleet Command's need for speed, he managed to fill the entire ship full of Vulcan conscripts. Of course, he set out to prove that Vulcans were the master race, in part by winning the war, but primarily by training his crew to become the finest baseball team in the quadrant (Cap. Jerkwad is not a well-balanced man and he does not have his priorities straight).

He was probably the subject of numerous complaints by his more conscientious subordinates after the incident in Take Me Out to Holosuite, and following the end of the Dominion War Cap. Jerkwad was likely either thrown out of the service for his frequent inappropriate behavior, or moved into a position where he couldn't hurt anyone. Maybe he was even ironically punished and assigned to some crap job on Earth.
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Old April 28 2009, 04:13 AM   #57
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Say, that's not a bad idea.

Care to explain the Hera?
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Old April 28 2009, 04:17 AM   #58
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Clearly, Captain LaForge wanted a crew of scientists and unfortunately believed in the Vulcan stereotype for the whole race. Serves her right .
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Old April 28 2009, 05:20 AM   #59
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Say, that's not a bad idea.

Care to explain the Hera?
She's the hybrid child of Karl Agathon and a Cylon Model 8. She has absolutely no importance to anyone, anywhere.



I dunno, statistical fluke.
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Old April 28 2009, 05:45 AM   #60
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^I believe the PD, in addition to non-interference with pre-warp civilizations, also applied to not interfering in the internal affairs of other worlds, as Picard says to Gowron when Starfleet and the Federation refuse to take sides in the Klingon Civil War. However, that didn't stop him from organizing a Starfleet blockade to prevent the Romulans from resupplying the Duras sisters' forces. So there appear to be fine distinctions when it comes to interference in other cultures. -- RR
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