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Old November 21 2014, 01:40 PM   #1
Mudang Harada
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Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

They just don't seem to have the tech for that sort of thing. How would they do it?

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Old November 21 2014, 04:06 PM   #2
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

We haven't seen how they would assimilate a land-dwelling civilization, either. Their zombie-slow Drones couldn't really reach people who had two healthy legs (even the Mythbusters busted that one!), and the concept of dispersing the nanoprobes from up high appears novel and untried in "Scorpion".

Whatever allows them to assimilate standard humanoid civilizations (because we certainly know they do that) might well be applicable to nonstandard and nonhumanoid ones, too. I wouldn't really bet on even Changelings being immune to them!

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Old November 21 2014, 04:13 PM   #3
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Well if you have a bunch of zombies that could fill continents...

But water is more 3d.

But there is a question what if they move them down with machine guns, artilery. The fast Borg from the end of TNG might be used as special forces. I would love to see a full Borg army with various weapons and vehicles in the next JJ movie.


But water is more 3d.
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Old November 21 2014, 04:21 PM   #4
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Good points.

Well if you have a bunch of zombies that could fill continents...
The Mythbuster special showed you need an absurdly high density of zombies to create a lethal hazard to a mobile target; you'd probably need at least a tenth of a percent of that all across the planet to search and assimilate everybody, and that's such a massive number already that it's difficult to see the point of even trying to add to it through assimilation...

But water is more 3d.
Then again, nanoprobes might be released to swim in water, like they do in blood, whereas they apparently cannot become airborne easily...

But there is a question what if they move them down with machine guns, artilery.
Or with stun phasers from orbit - TOS Starfleet had the tech, so why not the Borg. But we don't know why the Borg assimilate. Do they want more crew? Do they want to reduce the numbers of the enemy? Do they search for ideas and inventions? Or do they just want to make everybody achieve paradise, as they claim? The latter two points would require keeping as many of the assimilation victims as possible alive; the first point would only require letting a desired number live, perhaps cowed to submission by the slaughter of the rest. The second point would not call for assimilation at all.

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Old November 21 2014, 04:31 PM   #5
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Timo:
The Mythbuster special showed you need an absurdly high density of zombies to create a lethal hazard to a mobile target; you'd probably need at least a tenth of a percent of that all across the planet to search and assimilate everybody, and that's such a massive number already that it's difficult to see the point of even trying to add to it through assimilation...
They come from the Delta Quadrant so you can do a retcon and say they started out small and there a bunch of planets with primitive populations so they got huge manpower before taking on other bigger entities.
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Old November 21 2014, 05:35 PM   #6
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

I don't see any limitations as to what kind of planets the Borg could assimilate, although as pointed out there are some unexplained details about the assimilation process.
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Old November 21 2014, 06:54 PM   #7
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Imagine the specialty "aquarium cubes".
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Old November 21 2014, 10:04 PM   #8
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

The Borg have a lot of technology we have not seen in action- most of what we have watched are space battles and the Borg marching through ships.
In both 'The Neutral Zone' and The Best of Both Worlds Pt1' the Borg scooped up entire colonies from orbit- if they can strip out technology on that scale then some water should not be that much a problem.
The big question is do they wish to assimilate an aquatic species? The Xindi Aquatics has some pretty impressive ships that would be tempting...
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Old November 22 2014, 12:49 AM   #9
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

If we use the sensible Borg, those more interested in technology and not intersted in being robot-zombies in space, I would be surprised if they hadn't tried to find a way to assimilate technology that would allow them to control water-worlds.
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Old November 22 2014, 11:40 AM   #10
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

It's not about zombie speed as even Data mentioned they typically have the same mobility as a regular human.

Regardless, they don't need to chase people down to assimilate them, they merely have to transport next to 2-3 people and jab em like they did when they snatched Picard then transport back up to the Cube, direct them to the hallway they need to travel to the awaiting drones to put stuff on them, transport down, rinse and repeat.

plus as mentioned, they can slice up a starship to get what they want and they can slice up chunks of a planet to take entire cities.

As for aquatic species they did travel to fluidic space, they just couldn't figure out how to adapt to Species 8472, so it's possible.
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Old November 22 2014, 12:36 PM   #11
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Rust.
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Old November 22 2014, 02:36 PM   #12
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Praxius wrote: View Post
It's not about zombie speed as even Data mentioned they typically have the same mobility as a regular human.
So why is it that they move fast only in Descent?
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Old November 22 2014, 02:59 PM   #13
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

The Borg may not want drones from an aquatic civilization (it would probably be too much trouble to keep a water environment on one of their cube ships) but if they saw technology they wanted from one, they'd take it.
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Old November 22 2014, 03:10 PM   #14
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

Praxius wrote: View Post
Regardless, they don't need to chase people down to assimilate them, they merely have to transport next to 2-3 people and jab em
This was my first thought.

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It's not about zombie speed as even Data mentioned they typically have the same mobility as a regular human.
So why is it that they move fast only in Descent?
They adapted.
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Old November 22 2014, 05:15 PM   #15
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Re: Do the Borg invade aquatic civilizations?

They adapted.
Why are they slow again on VOY?
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