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View Poll Results: Grade the episode
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Above Average 22 39.29%
Average 12 21.43%
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Old April 14 2009, 06:23 AM   #31
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Re: Heroes 3x23 "1961" Discuss and Grade

I loved the episode. All the flashbacks were cool. It was nice seeing all the younger versions of the Company founders and felt like something we should have gotten in season two. Young Angela was pretty.
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Old April 14 2009, 12:20 PM   #32
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For a placeholder episode this wasnt bad. I mean we really only had a few minutes of plot development in the whole thing. Still the flashbacks were some of the best in the series and the young Angela was very good in her roll. Thankfully Hiro and the gang didnt also show up in the desert.
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Old April 14 2009, 01:47 PM   #33
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Honestly as soon as the older Alice showed up all I could say to myself is. My god... This is fucking retarded even for Heroes.
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Old April 14 2009, 05:14 PM   #34
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Poor. Man that episode was torturous. It was slow and nothing happened. Now I'm all for slow paced character development. But we learned nothing of real value. They could have just done a quick recap "over dinner" as Peter mentioned. Lame. The two parts I did enjoy were the socks explanation (or retcon) and the appearance of Sylar on tv. The rest, c'mon.
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Old April 14 2009, 06:23 PM   #35
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So 1961 is black and white and ancient Japan is color?
Black and white indicates a flashback, whereas Hiro's adventure in ancient Japan actually had him there as opposed to remembering it.
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Old April 14 2009, 06:48 PM   #36
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So are they implying they killed Kennedy?
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Old April 14 2009, 06:54 PM   #37
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No, that was The Comedian.
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Old April 14 2009, 07:31 PM   #38
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Please, Please, Please can Claire get rid of the Hannah Montana wig????
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Old April 14 2009, 08:02 PM   #39
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So 1961 is black and white and ancient Japan is color?

Maybe the Feudal Japan story should have been done as a series of paintings.
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Old April 14 2009, 08:04 PM   #40
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oh good! I'm not the only one thinking that wig has got to go.
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Old April 14 2009, 08:23 PM   #41
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Why can't Claire just have short hair? Toss in a line that she got a bad haircut and there you go.
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Old April 14 2009, 08:47 PM   #42
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Excellent - The Peter/Hiro Nerf Modifier = Above Average.

Even Claire was good here. Hopefully this reconciliation between Peter and Nathan will lead to Peter's powers going back to normal as has been hinted.

This new Company idea sounds interesting too.
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Old April 14 2009, 09:48 PM   #43
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Why can't Claire just have short hair? Toss in a line that she got a bad haircut and there you go.
Now I have the old B-52's song on the brain, "What's that on your head..."
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Old April 14 2009, 11:05 PM   #44
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Yes I had hoped the Generations volume would have explored the Founders and the Company's origins and history with some depth while using the attacks by the hooded mystery figure on the Founders as the reason to explore that aspect. It could have driven a whole season.
That would have been my hope back then. Maybe there will still be an opportunity, but I don't think so because Heroes is generally rooted in the present.

It would have been cool if Adam Monroe had shown up at diner when they formed the company (having just overheard them) and was willing to join in.

My guess is that Angela was the biggest impetus for recruiting the other founding members (probably had dreams and went out to find them). I'd say Adam is the big one (I'm curious about Kaito as well, but he doesn't have the history). In the comics, aren't Linderman and Arthur wartime buddies (I haven't read them)? It's possible that they met there, so that's not a stretch. Matt's dad is fairly generic and the killed by Adams are extremely generic.
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Old April 14 2009, 11:45 PM   #45
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So are they implying they killed Kennedy?
Four possibilities:

1) They assassinated JFK.

2) They erased JFK's memories prior to his assassination (having nothing to do with the latter incident).

3) They erased JFK's memories and then had him assassinated when the memory wipe didn't take (for one reason or another...including help from JFK-led specials or advisors reminding JFK of the situation)...

4) JFK died before the Company became powerful enough to manipulate the White House.
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