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Old April 14 2009, 03:55 AM   #166
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 1:00AM - 2:00AM - Discussion and Spoilers

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So I guess Tony is the real Big Bad that Hodges was talking about? Although that makes absolutely no sense, considering Hodges beat Tony up when no one that needed to be convinced was around. Unfortunately though, I think the teaser for next week confirms that Tony isn't just trying to keep his cover.
I doubt that Tony is THE big bad Hodges alluded to. Whether he is truly bad is another matter altogether. The teaser is never a reliable source of what really to expect, so I wouldn't take too much as truth. Still... that'd be a nice departure form the past. I would like to see them change characters and extend it into darkness we have not yet seen. Stories where the good guy turns bad frighten children more than anything else, and truth be told... they always make me feel the most uncomfortable of any kind of story.

Was that Jennifer Morrison from House as Hodges' lawyer next week? She looked familiar...
I don't think so, after looking that the trailer again.
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Old April 14 2009, 04:09 AM   #167
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 1:00AM - 2:00AM - Discussion and Spoilers

Next season...Jack vs The Somali pirates!
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Old April 14 2009, 06:18 AM   #168
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Next season...Jack vs The Somali pirates!
Except that those bad guys are sympathetic, because they live in a country that is dirt poor with no real central government. I can't remember the last time, if ever, '24' had a sympathetic villain.
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Old April 14 2009, 08:53 AM   #169
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LA Times Blog interview with Carlos Bernard

No spoilers, but it will tell you definitively if Tony is good or bad, if you want to know.

This whole thing with Tony better not be another case of 24 deciding to change courses of a character during the season for shock value even if it contradicts everything that came before it. Hell, why is this Starkwood guy helping him when 10 minutes before he tackled Tony?

And Jonas not being the big bad makes no sense either from a character standpoint. Someone like him wouldn't be content as a second fiddle, especially with his wealth and power. Could the mentioning of Daniels mean he's coming back as the big bad?

How much bigger can this conspiracy get? Kathleen Quinlan's Prison Break character is the big bad? Leonard Nimoy's gonna show up as his Fringe character and be the big bad? Montgomery Burns? Cigarette-smoking man? Jack Bauer's second personality is the big bad?
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Old April 14 2009, 09:44 AM   #170
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Re: 24 - Day 7: 1:00AM - 2:00AM - Discussion and Spoilers

I wonder ... if Moss is really dead (or did he catch on that Tony was actually saving him and played along ... it would explain why Tony didn't shoot him.) ... hmmmm ...

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Old April 14 2009, 10:39 AM   #171
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I'm not surprised. I figured Tony was going this way all the way back a few weeks ago when he warned Jack about the impending assault on the White House. I told Top41 -- ITS ALL A RUSE! TONY'S FIXING TO SCREW JACK!

Oy. Poor Tahna Los.
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Old April 14 2009, 11:18 AM   #172
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I feel very much reminded of when they character assassinated Nina Meyers in Season 1. It just didn't make sense and wasn't believable for me in the slightest. It felt like a cheap stunt in order to get the show labeled as unpredictable. Shame they are going the same route with Tony.

Also its a shame that they offed Moss just as he was developing a bit of farsight and a backbone. The Senator, a few episodes back, was a similar incident. Whenever they develop a secondary character into a sensible individual they kill them instantly. Bugs the question why? Is it too hard to write for characters that loose their cartoonish qualities?
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Old April 14 2009, 11:20 AM   #173
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Goddamn you, Tony. I had a bad feeling it was coming since your weird talk with Jack about an "informant still on the inside" who was clearly you before meeting Jack on the steps of the Capitol building, but I didn't want it to happen. I guess his assistance against Starkwood was all just a plot to get his hands on the bioweapon, presumably to use against Washington for revenge.

It was bullshit that Larry's teams got into Starkwood without a fight. Did the Starkwood guys all puss out in the forty minutes since their last confrontation?

Goodbye Agent Larry "Harvey Dent" Moss, you really were a douche for about 90% of your screentime, but you recovered nicely as of late, which was your biggest mistake, because a sympathetic character is usually a dead character.

Kudos to Kim on making it to FBI HQ without being mauled by one of those Washington DC cougars, free-roaming C. Thomas Howells, or getting robbed at a convenience store after escaping a murderous babysitting gig. But of course, the stem cell procedure carries a risk to her, because she's a death magnet. I'm pretty sure everything that's happened in DC today has all been because she's been in the city this whole time. No further explanation needed.

The scenes between Kim and Jack were actually quite heartwrenching though. Good job by both of them in that scene.

I wonder if they're going to have Jack lose his memory and go all 'Memento' next season. That could be kind of interesting. I love how he's so on the verge of death that he has to send his daughter out of the room this hour, but next hour he's out in the field again. Maybe he juiced up on some delicious and revitalizing stem cells, though.

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Hell, why is this Starkwood guy helping him when 10 minutes before he tackled Tony?
Different guy. The guy that tackled him was the one who Tony knocked unconscious earlier, while the guy that helped him was the one who went off to "check the perimeter" again - while actually going to steal one of the bioweapon warheads first.
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Old April 14 2009, 02:49 PM   #174
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I truly thought the Kim / Jack scene was very effective. Kim made me feel she regretted staying away from him. And you have to remember that she brutally lost her mother years ago, so to be confronted with losing her father too..... that's a helluva punch to take. For anyone.

As for the guy who helped Tony at the end, when he left to go on patrol "one last time", the Starkwood merc seemed a little suspicious. Couple that with his helping Tony and I wonder if he was a plant by whoever Tony is working for... if anyone.
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Old April 14 2009, 06:04 PM   #175
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Did Tony going bad seem like another case of 24 going "we still haven't filled out 24 episodes, what are we going to to next?" I guess they couldn't bring the Chinese back out of left field for a third round of action.

Is it too late for Kim to be in on it with Tony?
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Old April 14 2009, 06:53 PM   #176
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Did Tony going bad seem like another case of 24 going "we still haven't filled out 24 episodes, what are we going to to next?" I guess they couldn't bring the Chinese back out of left field for a third round of action.
Maybe some, but they've had a year to write a plan this season and, presumably from what the creators have said, they used that time wisely.
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Old April 14 2009, 07:20 PM   #177
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I'd like to start by saying Annie Wersching is so freakin' hot, I often don't quite follow what is happening in her scenes. I know she's saying things -important things- but my brain is too busy trying to process just how gorgeous she is.

That said, as long as Tony doesn't turn into the Incredible Disappearing Marwan of this season, I think finally having him "shockingly" revealed as a bad guy, if not the bad guy (despite the whole season pretty much going out of its way to establish that he was, in fact, an unstable, revenge-driven nut job wearing 7 seasons of sympathy and a character shield), could turn out pretty cool. At least Jack will get to execute one last friend before "retirement." Or, as an alternative climax, Freckles could step up and put Tony down to spare Jack that final burden.

By the dénouement, Jack's going to reconnect with Kim, get the treatment, move in with Freckles and by Season 8, she'll have nursed him back to 360-degree, wall-running, back-flip-neck-breaking form. Then the President will call, beginning the worst day of Jack's life ... that he can remember.
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Old April 14 2009, 07:35 PM   #178
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It's the Tony Double-Cross. But it's all just a sham to insinuate himself back with the bad guys. Or maybe he just got sick and tired of the prissy FBI party pooper. Or both. Tony will have a big redemption moment in the finale episode, and will die heroically. But only Jack will know and to everyone else, he will be a tratior. Bonus points if Red is the one who kills Tragic Tony.

Some good drama in this one. John Voight and the POTUS was great. Even Kim didn't come off as dippy.

If Jack undergoes a weird personality transformation, that would be fun. I've only been watching sporadically (amazing that a serialized show like this still makes sense when you only watch every third episode - I guess I know the 24 routine by now), but if Jack turns into Mirror Universe Jack because of the virus, does this show finally qualify as sci-fi for real?

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Old April 14 2009, 07:41 PM   #179
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Spoiler for the final episode...

During the Jack/Tony final confrontation, Tony says, "My real name isn't Almeida -- it's Adama."
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Old April 14 2009, 07:54 PM   #180
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I think Noah Daniels is the Real Bad Guy. He opposed the President's plan for Sangala. And, he's always appeared to me as a mean guy. I would not be surprised if he is behind all the events because he resents losing power.
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