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Old July 8 2009, 01:44 AM   #136
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"Blood Oath" had Kang, Kor, and Koloth. How awesome! Easy win over "Genesis." Blech!
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Old July 8 2009, 05:39 AM   #137
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Week 25: (Ending 04.03.94)
TNG - Journey's End (Airdate 03.28.94)

And speaking of teenagers needing smacks upside the head...

I guess we're entering the Tying Up Loose Ends portion of the series. Wesley gets his send-off, though is hamfisted into an entirely different storyline in the process. The Native American stuff is alright, but the homeland displacement parallels are quite blunt. I'm not even certain what the message of this episode is. Is there a message? Or is it just a morality play? If the latter, then it's interesting that the Big Decision actually rested on Gul Evek -nice change of plot, that.

Wesley gets his send-off on a TNG-solo week, so he gets the win. Repeats for a bit, then we head into TNG's final stretch. However, scouting reports suggest that DS9, having grown tired of being the whipping boy for most of '94, is hard a work preparing to make TNG's retirement dance a difficult one. Plus, will B5's surprising streak continue during all this, or has the rookie spent all of its energy in its initial offensive? Stay tuned...

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Old July 10 2009, 09:33 AM   #138
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Week 26: (Ending 04.24.94)
B5 - Deathwalker (Airdate 04.20.94)
DS9 - The Maquis, Part 1 (Airdate 04.24.94)

Sakonna. Sykonee. No... too coincidental...

One thing you have to give B5 even at this early stage: they didn't shirk Big Idea episodes. This time, after what initially seems like a blatant Trek rip-off with Na'Toth's blood oath (geez, even the same name, tho' translated a bit differently into Narn), Deathwalker touches on one of the eternal biggies: immortality. And not just the possibilities -it thankfully doesn't get bogged down on the hows- but the political ramifications of such a discovery, and by a known butcher no less! This is potent material, and made all the more delicious by the Great Cosmic Irony of the Vorlons preventing the younger races from having it in the end.

Yet, DS9 was just a little bit better.

Sure, The Maquis may not delve into as weighty material, but it's a much slicker show (it helps that Trek's been on for so many years now). Plus, it gives us some great character moments for Sisko, something that has been SEVERELY lacking thus far. A silent scene of him yelling at his laptop does wonders.

I'm giving DS9 the win here. Amazing, considering it's only first part of a two-parter; usually those are only set-up.

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Old July 10 2009, 10:52 AM   #139
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Agreed. The Maquis two-parter was great. 8/10.
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Old July 10 2009, 04:31 PM   #140
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I agree, too. It was a good episode, and it had ramifications that spanned three series. (TNG, DS9, Voyager)

Plus, it's where my avatar came from.
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Old July 12 2009, 07:45 AM   #141
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I agree, too. It was a good episode, and it had ramifications that spanned three series. (TNG, DS9, Voyager)

Plus, it's where my avatar came from.
Not that you're biased, or anything, right?
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Old July 17 2009, 04:51 AM   #142
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Week 27: (Ending 05.01.94)
TNG - Firstborn (Airdate 04.25.94)
B5 - Believers (Airdate 04.27.94)
DS9 - The Maquis, Part II (Airdate 05.01.94)

Hey, look at us! We're B5, and we're totally not Trek. See how we do a Trek-like episode that discusses the line between religion and science, but end on a total downer? That's so un-Trek, right?

Okay, that's a bit unfair. If anything, you have to give credit to B5 for even daring to take the route they did. The interesting thing, however, is it still leaves the message completely ambiguous. This basically is a Franklin character episode, using the religion/science debate as a vehicle to explore what makes our good doctor tick. Credit must be given Biggs for his performance, as he does wonders to establish the type of person Franklin is: highly passionate about his profession and beliefs, to the point of near arrogance and obsession. It's a real tragedy that it takes the death of a child for him to get a slap in the face to bring him down to earth somewhat.

Still, DS9 presented us with more of an Event Episode, so it gets the nod this week. Again, not as much character study or Big Ideas going on here, but it still raises a few tough questions on the nature of the Federation, which was something still seen as incredibly taboo (but, oh, we can always count on Evil Admirals). Alaimo steals nearly every scene he's in, and we get to see more nuance to the character Dukat, such to the point you could almost see him being, er, 'on our side'; sort of like how Garak has been so far.

Oh, TNG? Um, some stuff involving Worf and Alexander; character episode. Not unwatchable, but seems like we've been down this road before. Can you tell the series is starting to wind down?

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Old July 18 2009, 03:52 AM   #143
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Week 28: (Ending 05.08.94)
TNG - Bloodlines (Airdate 05.02.94)
B5 - Survivors (Airdate 05.04.94)
DS9 - The Wire (Airdate 05.08.94)

TNG's ending is a cop-out. B5's editing was sloppy. DS9, despite being a mere bottle show featuring a character few really liked at this point (Bashir) and one that we've only seen three times before (Garak), wins handily.

I mean, what's the point of teasing the audience with a son for Picard and giving us some good character moments for Picard in such a situation if you're not going make it matter in the end anyway? You're almost at the end of the series, why not make the bold move and give Picard a son? You went ahead and gave Riker a twin the season before, plus Data a 'mother' earlier this season. The truly unfortuante thing is that Picard hasn't had much of anything to do this season, so when he finally gets a solo-show, they flub it in the end, reverting back to status-quo. Meh.

And poor Garibaldi. Eleven episodes in and he finally gets his solo show. But the editing on this episode was wildely wonky. Lots of scenes of him running around, fighting random thugs, running around again, some scene-stealing with Londo/G'Kar again, running around, gets drunk... And what the hell was with the music in this episode? B5 has been solid on the scores thus far, but for some reason they gave Garibaldi a superhero theme for... running around?

Yeah, DS9 had no compitition this week. Garak telling lies was far more compelling than watching Picard/Jason bonding go to waste and Garibaldi running around getting beat up.

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Old July 20 2009, 09:49 AM   #144
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Week 29: (Ending 05.15.94)
TNG - Emergence (Airdate 05.09.94)
B5 - By Any Means Necessary (Airdate 05.11.94)
DS9 - Crossover (Airdate 05.15.94)

In a battle of the opening credits, I'm finding I prefer B5's the most. It's the one I'm least hesitant to skip through. Anyhow...

A curious week, this. We go from the happy positivity of TNG, to the contemporary problems in B5, to the utterly depressing DS9. Yet, there seems to be a running theme of how, despite things being good, it can easily descend into chaos. Allow me to clarify.

Emergence, for all its wacky plausibility and goofy holodeck shenanigans, at least ends on a nice denouement: that we should have the faith that the sum of our humanistic parts will lead to something benign. Er, and that's about it really. This episode sure took a roundabout way of relaying that message.

By Any Means doesn't really have much of a message, rather showing the viewpoint of what life in space would be like if we haven't 'evolved' to a 'nobler' pursuit, that we've brought all of our regular current human foibles along with us. This sort of runs parallel with TNG's theory, except in this case the sum of our parts will be what we currently see all around us today; nothing changes (or maybe I'm reading too deeply into this?). Eh, you have to admit that seeing a union dispute in a sci-fi show certainly is unique, especially when most television sci-fi kept things on a Trekkian outlook of future labor. Okay, and the Londo/G'Kar stuff is mint as always.

Crossover shows how everything could have turned out horribly wrong for humanity, compelling sci-fi in its own right and made better since we've gotten to know several of these characters -seeing them in a different position is always fun, espcially if they manage to do something incredibly dramatic in the process (which, er, unfortunately doesn't happen very often in Trek). Here, the sum of our parts means squat if we allow ourselves to be trampled underneath by cruel overlords, the cynical outcome of what happens in By Any Means.

Alright, so there really isn't any kind of unifying theme to this week. I told you it's a weird one. Oh, and DS9 wins too.

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Old July 20 2009, 12:31 PM   #145
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TNG really had a terrible run into the final episode. Just one nothing episode after another. Thankfully this is where DS9 really started to figure out what it should be doing.
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Old July 20 2009, 01:17 PM   #146
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Crossover was great, but I must speak up for By Any Means Necessary here! Labour disputes in space? Sexy trade unionists? Sinclair getting the better of Earth Alliance in order to give the common man a fairer shake? This episode is awesome!
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Old July 23 2009, 06:32 PM   #147
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Week 30: (Ending 05.22.94)
TNG - Preemptive Strike (Airdate 05.16.94)
B5 - Signs And Portents (Airdate 05.18.94)
DS9 - The Collaborator (Airdate 05.22.94)

There's a biggie TNG episode on the horizon, so B5 realized now's it's best chance to unleash its Major Event Episode while it has the opportunity. And hoo, what an episode it is, eh? Okay, so some of the scenes are rather over-dramatic, but major plot points are handled well, with plenty of intriguing foreshadow of events to come. Here's the most effective thing about this episode: the mysterious B-story involving Morden meeting all the ambassadors unexpectedly ties into the A-story involving the raiders in a move that quite literally comes out of leftfield (er, or rightscreen). And although some may have been able to see that twist coming, I can't imagine anyone would have predicted their means being so utterly... effecient.

So, B5 beats both Treks, but what did the Treks have on offer this time out anyway? TNG appears to have had some left-over special-effects money, as they managed to give us quite the dandy of a space battle in the opening scene of their episode. Of course, the meat of Preemptive Strike is all about Ro Laren's mission, and although it isn't the resolution I'm sure many would have liked, it is a fitting resolution to the character's arc. Her betrayal wasn't all that hard to see coming but it went a long way in establishing the Maquis as a far more serious problem for Starfleet than we could have imagined.

DS9 had more Bajoran stuff. Yawn. Heh, no, not really, though it wouldn't surprise me if that was the impression many initially had of the first few scenes of The Collaborator. It's pretty much about wrapping up the whole Kai business, and we get a little well-played drama in the process -some wonderful scenes in this episode (Kubus in prison, nearly everything Winn was in, Kira & Odo). In some ways, it was even a better episode than Signs & Portents; however, it lacks B5's thrills-n-spills action and foreshadow intrigue.

And so, TNG comes to an end next week. DS9 decides to graciously let the veteran take the spotlight and sits it out. B5, on the other hand...

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Old July 23 2009, 06:37 PM   #148
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This weeks's TNG and DS9 episodes were both very good. Signs and Portans, IMO, was pretty bad however.
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Old July 23 2009, 07:01 PM   #149
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This was a really interesting time for all three of these shows. TNG was winding down and mixing great episodes with some lousy ones, B5 was finding its feet and DS9 was establishing more of a separate identity for itself after season 1. All three were somewhat inconsistent at this point, but I'd give the edge to B5 season 1 over TNG season 7 or DS9 season 2 because of the run of excellent episodes leading up to the end of the season (all of these seasons had great finales).
I agree that Signs and Portents was excellent, and a real turning point for B5, but Preemptive Strike is probably my favourite of these three episodes. I believe some people don't, but I love how they finished Ro's character arc here, and I'm rather impressed that TNG pulled such a powerful and morally complex episode out of the bag so close to the end. By contrast, I thought The Collaborator was a bit of a disappointment. It had such huge potential, but for me it fell a bit flat.
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Old July 23 2009, 08:35 PM   #150
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I think all three of those episodes are pretty strong, actually. Star Trek The Next Generation wraps up Ro Laren's arc rather nicely (and with a betrayal that is surprising for the series), Star Trek Deep Space Nine gives us a nice episode about Bajoran politics (which I always enjoyed, unlike some) that positions Winn for future trouble, and Babylon 5 gives us the first hints of the Shadows and the conflict to come. A good week all around.
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