Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers

Morpheus 02 · April 9 2009, 07:56 PM

So we find out in this episode that Ben wasn't able to complete his mission of killing Penny (or Desmond, for that matter).

I know some were expecting her to die, but as a fan favorite many wanted Penny to live.

So did that work for you, story wise? Or did you wish the writers did something different?

Nomad · April 9 2009, 08:25 PM

It's still possible that he killed her, or Charlie, but I guess we won't know for sure for a while.

Obiwanshinobi · April 9 2009, 08:45 PM

My guess is that Penny and Charlie will live, Desmond however, sadly i feel like he'll be the one to bite the bullet, well bleed out. Unless something does happen after Ben climbs out of the water. Because Locke said he was favoring his arm or shoulder, and he said somebody else did it to him and not Sun. So something had to have happened after that point and before he makes it on the plane.

Morpheus 02 · April 10 2009, 04:30 AM

So far...nearly everyone seems happy with what happened with Penny....nobody thought it was contrived at all...?

chrisspringob · April 10 2009, 04:44 AM

Morpheus 02 wrote:

So far...nearly everyone seems happy with what happened with Penny....nobody thught it was contrived at all...?

I thought it was somewhat contrived, but I never seriously thought that Penny would die. Too many of the show's fans are sentimental about Desmond/Penny for the writers to seriously contemplate killing her. (Unless the "death" is like Locke's death, where it's only temporary.) The show just isn't dark enough for them to try to pull something like that off.

cubbie · April 10 2009, 12:15 PM

Well Penny isn't a child of the island like Alex. It was Alex's destiny to die, which was only delayed.

propita · April 10 2009, 08:09 PM

cubbie wrote:

Well Penny isn't a child of the island like Alex. It was Alex's destiny to die, which was only delayed.

Well, obviously Alex (born ON the island) is not a "child of the island" like Locke (NOT born on the island) is.

Locke was resurrected, Alex wasn't.

As for Penny, Ben's not killing her shows a continuity in his character--having lost his mother, he does not want to inflict that pain on another child.

I like Penny and Des. If Des is special to the island (it's laws don't apply to him), then maybe his kid is also special to the island?

Temis the Vorta · April 11 2009, 08:09 PM

Glad she's alive - I don't really think she has that much of a direct role in the story from this point on, but for Ben to have murdered her is too dastardly. Ben needs to maintain a good/evil tension.

Well Penny isn't a child of the island like Alex. It was Alex's destiny to die, which was only delayed.

Hmm, hadn't thought of that - is everyone who is born on the island doomed to a violent end?

mirandafave · April 12 2009, 10:24 PM

Felt in part that Penny not dying was a bit of a cop out by the writers too scared to do something as dark as that. But when the scene was being handled at this stage I figured Ben mustn't kill her because of the whole judgement thing and that if they were going to go through with killing her it would happen in the season finale.

Probably fitting that she doesn't die because when you think about it, if the Island has a purpose so far much of its purpose leads to people dying. You'd wonder what's worth saving for all that.

Mind, nothing to say he doesn't try again.

mirandafave · April 12 2009, 10:25 PM

PS Love the option I'll let you know when the entire show has run.

How very true.

Morpheus 02 · April 13 2009, 04:02 AM

mirandafave wrote:

PS Love the option I'll let you know when the entire show has run.

How very true.

Thanks!

there a few reasons why someone would choose it

1) WHile it may seem like a good choice at the time, in the end, Penny's suriviving may be a dumb thing

2) The opposite...this may seem like a cop-out or lame writing, but may actually have significance later

or

3) It's a cop out for the fans...so they don't have to decide on something they may turn out to be wrong later.

John Picard · April 13 2009, 04:11 PM

Killing Penney would have been bad, IMHO. I thought it was great that Desmond kicked Ben's ass and sent him packing.

sidious618 · April 13 2009, 05:21 PM

I'm glad she lived. She's hot.

middyseafort · April 13 2009, 05:23 PM

I'm glad she's alive, but I wanted it to be her who kicked Ben's ass.

Zion Ravescene · April 13 2009, 06:06 PM

I wonder how Desmond's character might have changed had Penny been murdered? I think he'd have degenerated into a vengeful one-note character like Michael, which would have been a shame.

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"He killed my wife!"
"He killed my bird!"
"But he killed my Penny!"
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Disappointed she's alive; doesn't work for the story	1	2.13%
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April 9 2009, 07:56 PM	#1
Morpheus 02 Commodore Location: Chicago IL	Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers So we find out in this episode that Ben wasn't able to complete his mission of killing Penny (or Desmond, for that matter). I know some were expecting her to die, but as a fan favorite many wanted Penny to live. So did that work for you, story wise? Or did you wish the writers did something different? __________________ Morpheus 02 a.k.a. JP Paulus jp [at] paulus . com

April 9 2009, 08:25 PM	#2
Nomad Lieutenant Commander Location: Out There	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers It's still possible that he killed her, or Charlie, but I guess we won't know for sure for a while.

April 9 2009, 08:45 PM	#3
Obiwanshinobi Rear Admiral Location: ObiWanShinobi	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers My guess is that Penny and Charlie will live, Desmond however, sadly i feel like he'll be the one to bite the bullet, well bleed out. Unless something does happen after Ben climbs out of the water. Because Locke said he was favoring his arm or shoulder, and he said somebody else did it to him and not Sun. So something had to have happened after that point and before he makes it on the plane.

April 10 2009, 04:30 AM	#4
Morpheus 02 Commodore Location: Chicago IL	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers So far...nearly everyone seems happy with what happened with Penny....nobody thought it was contrived at all...? __________________ Morpheus 02 a.k.a. JP Paulus jp [at] paulus . com Last edited by Morpheus 02; April 10 2009 at 06:14 PM.

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April 10 2009, 12:15 PM	#6
cubbie Vice Admiral	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers Well Penny isn't a child of the island like Alex. It was Alex's destiny to die, which was only delayed.

April 12 2009, 10:24 PM	#9
mirandafave Fleet Captain	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers Felt in part that Penny not dying was a bit of a cop out by the writers too scared to do something as dark as that. But when the scene was being handled at this stage I figured Ben mustn't kill her because of the whole judgement thing and that if they were going to go through with killing her it would happen in the season finale. Probably fitting that she doesn't die because when you think about it, if the Island has a purpose so far much of its purpose leads to people dying. You'd wonder what's worth saving for all that. Mind, nothing to say he doesn't try again. __________________ Ad Astra: Fanfiction Archive Ad Astra: Fanfiction Forum

April 12 2009, 10:25 PM	#10
mirandafave Fleet Captain	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers PS Love the option I'll let you know when the entire show has run. How very true. __________________ Ad Astra: Fanfiction Archive Ad Astra: Fanfiction Forum

April 13 2009, 04:11 PM	#12
John Picard Vice Admiral Location: Waiting for Dorian Thompson to invite me to lunch	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers Killing Penney would have been bad, IMHO. I thought it was great that Desmond kicked Ben's ass and sent him packing. __________________ Don't like my posts? Fill out a report. Psssstttt - Dorian, my location.

April 13 2009, 05:21 PM	#13
sidious618 Admiral Location: New York, US	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers I'm glad she lived. She's hot. __________________ We've met before, haven't we?

April 13 2009, 05:23 PM	#14
middyseafort Rear Admiral Location: The Bay Area	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers I'm glad she's alive, but I wanted it to be her who kicked Ben's ass. __________________ A mild-mannered reporter Literary Masturbation

April 13 2009, 06:06 PM	#15
Zion Ravescene Admirable	Re: Thoughts on Penny - "Dead is Dead" spoilers I wonder how Desmond's character might have changed had Penny been murdered? I think he'd have degenerated into a vengeful one-note character like Michael, which would have been a shame. "PEEEEEEENNNNNN!" "He killed my wife!" "He killed my bird!" "But he killed my Penny!" etc. __________________ "Well, I would like to make another trip," he said, jumping to his feet; "but I really don't know when I'll have the time. There's just so much to do right here."