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Old April 17 2009, 10:04 PM   #346
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Re: Advance screening/World Premiere discussions [the NO-SPOILERS vers

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IGN review [MINOR SPOILERS]: http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/973/973956p1.html

I skipped a paragraph or two, one of which was going into detail about Kirk and Spcok at the Academy.

The review is ultimately positive (3.5/5--"Fresh" on RottenTomatoes.com), but reviewer has problems with the plotting. This bit of criticism left me incredulous:

In a way, Star Trek is this year's Iron Man. Both were superbly cast, full of great character interaction and genuine humanity. But the pair were also seriously hampered by badly conceived storylines and humdrum action sequences (remember Tony Stark's rubbish fight with Ironmonger at the end of the film?) that stops them joining the likes of Jaws, Star Wars and Independence Day in the annuls of truly great summer films.
Independence Day?! Get the fuck outta here! That's one of his standards?! OK, it was entertaining, at least until the weak, contrived climax where they blow the mothership with a computer virus, but that movie overall is so shallow, so unoriginal, so typically dumbed-down. Star Trek damn well better compare favorably to Independence Day. I refuse to believe J.J. would produce and direct something inferior in any way to Independence Day. I hope it's just the reviewer being off his rocker.
He also says that Star Trek is just as bad as Iron Man. I don't know about you, but I thought Iron Man was one of the best superhero movies ever (only beaten by The Dark Knight).
Iron Man was okay. I think this critic is talking out of his ass.
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Old April 17 2009, 10:06 PM   #347
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Well if Star Trek is as bad as Iron Man, and we accept that Iron Man is actually good, then Star Trek is therefore as good as Iron Man.

Gah, nuspeak hurts.
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Old April 17 2009, 10:49 PM   #348
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ID4?! geez
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Old April 17 2009, 10:56 PM   #349
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ID4?! geez
Yeah, I mean the first Independence Day was bad enough; to compare it to ID4 is just insulting.
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Old April 17 2009, 11:42 PM   #350
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ID4?! geez
Yeah, I mean the first Independence Day was bad enough; to compare it to ID4 is just insulting.


Hey, at least 'Independence Day' was a better modern remake of 'War of the Worlds' than that Spielberg-Cruise abortion from a few years back.

(There, I said it. )
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Old April 18 2009, 12:44 AM   #351
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Re: Advance screening/World Premiere discussions [the NO-SPOILERS vers

The Habs Fan wrote: View Post
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IGN review [MINOR SPOILERS]: http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/973/973956p1.html

I skipped a paragraph or two, one of which was going into detail about Kirk and Spcok at the Academy.

The review is ultimately positive (3.5/5--"Fresh" on RottenTomatoes.com), but reviewer has problems with the plotting. This bit of criticism left me incredulous:

In a way, Star Trek is this year's Iron Man. Both were superbly cast, full of great character interaction and genuine humanity. But the pair were also seriously hampered by badly conceived storylines and humdrum action sequences (remember Tony Stark's rubbish fight with Ironmonger at the end of the film?) that stops them joining the likes of Jaws, Star Wars and Independence Day in the annuls of truly great summer films.
Independence Day?! Get the fuck outta here! That's one of his standards?! OK, it was entertaining, at least until the weak, contrived climax where they blow the mothership with a computer virus, but that movie overall is so shallow, so unoriginal, so typically dumbed-down. Star Trek damn well better compare favorably to Independence Day. I refuse to believe J.J. would produce and direct something inferior in any way to Independence Day. I hope it's just the reviewer being off his rocker.
He also says that Star Trek is just as bad as Iron Man. I don't know about you, but I thought Iron Man was one of the best superhero movies ever (only beaten by The Dark Knight).
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Iron Man was okay. I think this critic is talking out of his ass.
I also thought Iron Man was OK. It was solid, but I was kinda ready for it to be over before the last half hour and I remember not being so impressed with the battle at the end. I like TDK more. And I actually like Batman Begins at least as much as TDK.
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Old April 18 2009, 01:12 AM   #352
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I thought Iron man was great!

The bad guy was a bit underwhelming and I'm expecting the same thing with Nero, so maybe the parallels do exist.
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Old April 18 2009, 02:07 AM   #353
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^^ True. But for me, Iron Man was really about the character. And much as I dislike Robert Downey jr., this was a perfect role for him. Much like Peter Parker in the first (actually ALL) Spider-Man films, I found him more entertaining outside of the superhero persona.

That said and back on topic, these are three more reviews that bode well for Star Trek. Let's hope many people read these and go see the film so that we all can get a sequel.
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Old April 18 2009, 08:24 AM   #354
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So Star Trek is like Iron Man and nowhere near Independence Day. Fine by me.
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Old April 18 2009, 09:38 AM   #355
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[SPOILER]from germany[/SPOILER]

one mild spoiler not important to the plot./
spoiler about interaction between characters..
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Old April 18 2009, 12:26 PM   #356
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one mild spoiler not important to the plot./
*brain break*

It's still a significant character moment, so...umm, it's between the first two pictures and the next one for those who can actively not read stuff.
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Old April 18 2009, 01:34 PM   #357
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IGN: Star Trek is very good, but the plot is a mess

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Old April 18 2009, 01:39 PM   #358
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Re: IGN: Star Trek is very good, but the plot is a mess

Already being discussed in the appropriate thread here

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=88033&page=18
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Old April 18 2009, 01:46 PM   #359
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Fair enough.

Star Trek unequivocally succeeds in this aim; the film is fresh, accessible and modern.
An unequivocal success is something good, no?

As for their misgivings about the plot, the same can be said for many a summer blockbuster, yet it has never really hurt any of them. The reviewer said he was never on the edge of his seat. Others disagree. The point, ultimately, is that according to him, the film works as far as the characters are concerned. It has heart. That may connect more strongly to audiences than a plot-driven film. He compares ST with Iron Man, about which I agree with him. Star Trek could do worse than be likened to a solidly entertaining film that brought in strong numbers and two Oscar nominations.
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Old April 18 2009, 04:20 PM   #360
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Re: IGN: Star Trek is very good, but the plot is a mess

Interesting, the reviewer didn't like Urban's performance.

From the reviews so far, it seems the plot will be shallow and could be the movie's Achilles Heel, keeping it from even greater box office heights than it may achieve.

From all accounts, Orci and Kurtzman seem to have the characters down cold, but one hopes they either mature as story tellers by the time they start the sequel, or they bring in an outsider to help them. They seem to be about 85 percent there in having truly electrified the franchise. Wouldn't it be great to see some of the better sci-fi writers of the day being called to submit treatments for the next movie and take things over the top?
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