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Old May 8 2009, 06:40 PM   #46
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The clear domes were from Don's Lighting & Magic, but inside of them are these sparkly little pom-poms that I found. They make for a nice effect without having to add lighting (which the original model never had).

I plan on adding an extension to the back of the domes to house the pom-poms that will also hold the domes in place without gluing them in. This will let me switch between the red and gold ones on both models.
Ah, very very clever!
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Old May 24 2009, 06:31 AM   #47
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Re: A Two-Thirds 33 inch Enterprise

I just realized that I hadn't updated this thread in a while...

After making a number of comparisons of the assembled Enterprise model with existing photos of the original, I found that the DLM B/C Deck part was the wrong shape to a noticeable degree (and I wasn't the only one to notice it, Richard_2001 had noticed the difference too). So I when back to the part that I had originally built for the model.

Here is how the model stood during it's last test assembly after switching out that part...


Additionally, I've been practicing my other skills on the Constellation. These include aspects of painting and applying decals (neither of which I've done in nearly 15 years).

Here is how she is turning out...


On my list of things to do on the Constellation that are not related to practice tasks for the Enterprise, I need to repaint the bridge area and shorten (and repaint) the lower sensor dome. But I'll most likely wait until after I've made more progress on the Enterprise before starting in on those changes.


This project has done quite a bit towards helping me find errors and omissions in my original plans of the 33 inch model. After I update those plans (and work on my model building skills) I'm sure I'll be more confident in attempting a one-to-one build (which has always been a goal).

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Old May 24 2009, 01:10 PM   #48
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Re: A Two-Thirds 33 inch Enterprise

Very nice work there Shaw :tech man:
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Old June 10 2009, 02:10 AM   #49
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Shaw, any more progress on this?
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Old June 10 2009, 06:08 AM   #50
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Re: A Two-Thirds 33 inch Enterprise

I've made a little progress...

I finally took the plunge and glued the dorsal to the secondary hull last week. To do this I mounted the warp nacelles in their correct positions so that I could make sure that the primary hull was lining up correctly with them (otherwise I would run the risk of misaligning the elements). This was the next step after I finished most of the secondary hull assembly (which included packing the lower front third of the hull with paper maché so I would have a solid area to drill the mounting hole at some later point).

I also photo copied the decals before the assembly to test if they would lay correctly on the surface of the primary hull (which is obviously different from the model they were intended for). I figured I had better know ahead of time if I was going to have to hand place each character of the registration before I reached that step. It seemed to work alright from what I could tell.


This is pretty much how she is going to end up when finally finished as far as general arrangement of parts goes. Neither she nor the Constellation have the nacelle supports glued to their secondary hulls as that will be the absolute last step after their final display stands are ready for them.


The images below brings up something I may or may not have addressed earlier... yes, the Constellation is shorter than the Enterprise, but it actually goes beyond that. Even though both models are originally based on the 22 inch cutaway kit, the Enterprise wasn't meant to be at the same 1/537 scale as the kit. Early on I realized that with a few key modifications, the elements that I did use matched the two-thirds scale plans I had drawn. Those plans (assuming Jefferies' primary hull diameter as a measure standard) are at approximately 1/333 scale, which means that 2/3 times 1/333 is about 1/500 scale. Which is what one would expect when my primary hull is exactly 10 inches in diameter and the Jefferies diameter is 5004 inches. Still, the two models are close enough in scale that they look nice together.


I also included a scan of the strange gap in the decal sheet. I started taking a closer look at the decal sheet and had noticed a line (length wise gap) down the center of the "U.S.S. ENTERPRISE" when I made a copy for testing, but assumed that it was my printer when I first saw it... now I noticed that this is directly on the sheet itself. If no one else has seen this type of error with JT Graphics decals, then I might just contact them about getting a replacement set.

The other option is to do the name the same way I did it on the Constellation... by hand, using dry transfer lettering. It was something of a pain to do, but I think it turned out okay.


I had always kept that idea in mind as a back up (and that was why I used that technique on the Constellation to make sure it was a viable option).

I also just purchased an important part of the Constellation's display stand yesterday, the Constellation's insignia. I'll be doing the same thing for the Enterprise's stand, but the Enterprise insignia is (obviously) not as hard to come by.


This model of the Enterprise has been quite helpful in finding errors in my original plans. Sadly the flip side of all the things that I've learnt is that I'm almost embarrassed by the number of mistakes I made in the first version of them. My goal is to have version 2 of them publicly available by August (two years after their initial release)... and include both pilot and series configurations in the new set.

I'd like to have The Cage Enterprise plans (original drawings, 11 foot and 33 inch plans) ready by November/December of this year to mark the models 45th birthday.
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Old June 10 2009, 08:36 AM   #51
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Looking good.
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Old June 25 2009, 08:07 PM   #52
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Re: A Two-Thirds 33 inch Enterprise

Nothing too significantly new... I just happen to have the use of a better camera.


I tested out some painting ideas for the primary hull domes using spares I had around, plus I just got the insignia for the Constellations display stand (though I don't have the rest yet). I grabbed the Constellation's insignia at this point because it is rare, I'm not too worried about finding the insignia for the Enterprise.
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Old June 26 2009, 05:29 AM   #53
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Looking really good, Shaw.
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Old August 6 2009, 06:37 PM   #54
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Re: A Two-Thirds 33 inch Enterprise

My model is slowly-but-surely coming together.

So I've passed the second anniversary of my work on this model. That is to say, I started serious work towards building this model on August 3, 2007 when I printed out a two-third scale version of my (unfinished) 33 inch model plans and started comparing them against the 22 inch cutaway model I had at the time (I'd end up buying a second for spare parts in the following months which became my Constellation model). By the end of that August I would have additional parts from DLM and the (flawed) decals from Federation Models.

This is a break down of how the model was put together...


And here is a few shots of how it is progressing as of today...


She is a little shiny at this point, but I'll get that toned down after all the decals are applied. And I think I've applied those the way I had intended too.

And this is the latest test assembly (with a make-shift stand for now).


And how she looked before I started applying the decals and such...


Considering the amount of time off I had between starting this model and the last one I built, plus the fact that I was attempting things I had never even considered in the past, I'm pretty happy with the results. She may not win any contests, but she has fulfilled what I wanted in the way of a model of the Enterprise.
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Old August 6 2009, 09:04 PM   #55
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Oh, I think there are more than a few convention model contests this puppy has a better than average chance of winning, especially if it's made clear what the intent is.
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Old August 6 2009, 11:17 PM   #56
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Well, yeah... making sure people know exactly what it is would be important. I could just see someone walking up and saying "it doesn't really look like the original Enterprise," all the while looking for the 11 foot model's details and curves.

I'm quite happy about the fact that it has helped me fix errors in my original plans though. That was an important aspect of the build... running a close second to finally having something like the model in "Requiem for Methuselah" after all these years.
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Old August 7 2009, 06:19 AM   #57
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Well, yeah... making sure people know exactly what it is would be important. I could just see someone walking up and saying "it doesn't really look like the original Enterprise," all the while looking for the 11 foot model's details and curves.

I'm quite happy about the fact that it has helped me fix errors in my original plans though. That was an important aspect of the build... running a close second to finally having something like the model in "Requiem for Methuselah" after all these years.
Really nice work!

Can't wait to see her when she's done. (I've got a pair of cut-a-ways in my stash, and I think some your techniques will help them out... when I finially get started on them.)

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Old August 12 2009, 08:12 AM   #58
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Thanks for the encouragement!

I was hoping to have the use of a friends camera, but she is out of town for a few weeks, so this is the best I can do for now.

Some comparisons with the original model...




It is slowly getting there.
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Old August 22 2009, 03:16 PM   #59
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So I've gotten as far as removing the masking on the warp nacelles and adding the decals to them. Odds are this is as far as I'll be going for a while as I consider options for adding windows. The windows on the original model (as configured for the series) were raised, and I tested out electrical tape on the Constellation to see how that worked (which wasn't too bad, just a pain to apply them).

But it isn't like I'm in nearly as much of a hurry anymore as she looks quite nice now when assembled (but not glued). She and the Constellation are in just about the same state of completion, though I have a list of things I'd like to go back and fix on the Constellation when I get a chance.

So here are some shots over the last few days...


And a little more finished (I was obviously playing in Photoshop a little too)...

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Old August 22 2009, 03:57 PM   #60
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Now if you can just manage to get a picture of either Shatner or Nimoy holding it...
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