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Old April 29 2009, 05:52 PM   #1456
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Re: World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

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Although its funny that Kirk may be swilling Budweiser in this film, and yet later on looks at a bottle of Michelob in Save the Whales like its from another planet....does this portend bad things to come for the Anheuser Busch line?
that or Kirk has a low opinion of beer not Budweiser related.
Michelob is also produced by Anheuser-Busch. Shatner's preference for Labatt showing through, perhaps,
Of course, it's Anheuser-Busch InBev, now. Which means not only the AB products, but Beck's, Stella Artois, and a huge number of other brands across the globe. Heck, by the 23rd century they may be the only brewer on Earth.
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Old April 29 2009, 06:13 PM   #1457
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that or Kirk has a low opinion of beer not Budweiser related.
Michelob is also produced by Anheuser-Busch. Shatner's preference for Labatt showing through, perhaps,
Of course, it's Anheuser-Busch InBev, now. Which means not only the AB products, but Beck's, Stella Artois, and a huge number of other brands across the globe. Heck, by the 23rd century they may be the only brewer on Earth.
A division of the RAMJAC Corporation?

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Heh. Amusingly enough...
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Old April 29 2009, 07:13 PM   #1458
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Old April 29 2009, 07:15 PM   #1459
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I had the pleasure of getting to watch the movie last night at a Denver advance/press screening. A few random observations, and apologies for the lack of spacing, but my paste is formatting strangely:

- First off, I absolutely loved the movie. Yes, I was bummed when I found out (ahead of time) about Vulcan. But I'm telling you, Vulcan's destruction absolutely gives this film the emotional impact and gravitas it needs and elevates this movie so far above every other Trek film in the last couple of decades. I'm angry that Vulcan got destroyed, but I'm not angry with JJ, Orci, etc. On the contrary, I applaud them for their boldness. Instead, I'm angry with Nero. And isn't that the whole point? I CARE about what happened in this movie - it has resonance, it MATTERS. When Kirk and Sulu are trying to take out the drill, I'm actually sitting there hoping against all odds that they can succeed. When they don't, it sucks. It sucks that Vulcan is gone. But it also means the events of this film have meaningful implications. No lazy reset button. And Star Trek is better for it.

- With one exception, every actor was fantastic. I'll stop short of saying that Chris Pine now "owns" the role that William Shatner originated, but I will say that Pine was absolutely wonderful in the part and will very likely vault himself to superstardom as a result. His role as a developing Kirk involves a lot more physical and subtle comedy than Shatner had to do, and Pine knocks it out of the park. Quinto is equally brilliant as he struggles to balance the emotion and the logic. Nimoy is heartbreaking as Spock, in a good way. Saldana brings Uhura to life in a way that I've never seen before. Her very unexpected romance with Spock is great, as you see her dancing around his emotional control problems. That said, Spock never takes anything out on Uhura. She's basically his rock, it seems. Urban is like watching DeForest reincarnated - 'nuff said. Yelchin actually made Chekov likable again, which is a high praise from me as I was not formerly a Chekov fan. Yelchin's wide-eyed excitement is infectious. Simon Pegg was the big surprise for me. I expected his Scotty to absolutely pale in comparison to Doohan, but Pegg was fricking hilarious! Definitely a slightly "goofier" Scotty that I'm used to seeing, but Pegg just nailed the excitable nature of Scotty. I'm sure his little assistant will annoy some folks (particularly when he shows up on the Enterprise at the end as a crewman, apparently), but I thought the little guy was awesome. Especially when he seemed to tear up when Scotty leaves him earlier in the film. John Cho lacks the bass rumble of Takei, as many have stated, but he also brings a new badassedness and overall humor to the character. In fact, their initial moment leaving spacedock almost seemed like a bit of a nod to Galaxy Quest, when the helmsman didn't seem to know what he was doing for a sec. But all doubt about Sulu's abilities is erased by the end of the film, and his swordfight atop the drill was, in a word, awesome. Ryder brings a quiet dignity to Amanda. Would have liked to see a bit more screentime for her, and I'm sorry that the baby Spock stuff was cut. That said, when her section of the cliff begins to fall just as the transporter tries to take hold, it's absolutely gut-wrenching. That scene really stayed with me, particularly when Spock rematerializes on the transporter pad, hand outstretched, shock etched on his features. Bana is interesting as Nero. His character seems a bit all over the place, sometimes very formal, sometimes almost comically casual with how he addresses people. But 100% scary when he's mad. The only weak point for me was Ben Cross as Sarek. For some reason, he just didn't do it for me, lacking the deeper qualities that Mark Lenard could convey in the role with a mere look.

- Architecturally, the hanging buildings on Vulcan were visually interesting, descending down from various rock formations. The Vulcan training pods, where young Spock has a fight, were a little "Attack of the Clones-ish" for my taste, but okay.

- I loved all the Kelvin stuff. Seeing George Kirk in action is well worth the wait, even if his final dialogue with Winona is a little soap opera-ish as it progresses. Also, the eyes of baby Jim's delivery nurse = pure weirdness.

- I know the Klingon stuff got cut, but I was very surprised at the lack of well-known alien Federation races. I didn't see any Andorians, Tellarites, etc., though maybe I just missed them in the crowd scenes. The new aliens are great, some subtle, some very imaginative, but I would have loved a glimpse at more of the "classic" aliens.

- The brief 2 minute scene that establishes Nimoy Spock's and Nero's history together is seriously waaaay too brief and could have used a lot more explanation for the average movie-goer. I had read the Countdown prequel comic series ahead of time, which I'm very grateful for, as Nero's hisotry and motivations are so much better explained there. I think they did Nero a severe disservice in this film but not devoting a little more time to his backstory. Don't get me wrong - I want to watch Kirk and Company most of all (in other words, I don't want another Shinzon-style villain where he's being given more screentime than the main characters), but I do think they should have devoted just a bit more time to Nero to flesh him out. As it stands, his personality remains slightly unclear if you're going just by the movie.

- I'd heard there was going to be lots of humor in the film, but I was pleasantly surprised that A) it actually WAS funny, and B) they were able to work in the funny moments in unobtrusive ways. Such as the looks on Kirk's and Scotty's faces when they witness Spock and Uhura kissing on the transporter pad. Or Kirk and Spock's quick conversation before they decide what to do about Nero at the end. And lots of little "physical comedy" bits that really played well. It's when they go the other extreme - Kirk's swollen hands, Scotty's trip through the engineering tubes - that the humor falls a bit flatter. That said, I'm sure some of the audience will still love that stuff too.

- Love the new warp effect. I don't mean the warp tunnel itself, which I also like. I'm talking about watching a ship going into warp. It's literally like a gunshot. Very cool effect.

[I've removed the size tags and added lines between paragraphs to make it a little easier to read. - M']
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Old April 29 2009, 08:32 PM   #1460
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Something's been bothering me a bit as I think about it. Can someone who's already seen the movie help me out, here?

The gravitational field of the black hole they create to destroy Nero's ship traps the Enterprise, too. So I'm wondering, where was the Enterprise while Vulcan was falling in on itself? Close? Far away? How did they avoid getting trapped by that black hole's gravitational field?
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Old April 29 2009, 09:52 PM   #1461
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Re: World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

Quark's Lobe: (sorry, I either haven't been here long enough to quote messages in my reply, or I don't know how)

You have brilliantly stated what I have been trying to articulate for so long to some of my friends, and I am so happy that having seen the film you relate that my suspicions are true. A truly good movie will make us forget all the backstory of its development, and instead focus on the story...and I am so happy to hear that you were angry with Nero, not Abrams, because in my estimation that makes this film a success in the sense that it is compelling enough to leave the nitpicking for afterwards! I am a Journalism major, and I can only say that it is one of the hardest things for me to sit through a film that I have strong feelings about and enjoy it the way it is meant to be enjoyed rather than imagine what I may say later on....in some sense of course, we all check our brains at the door for a movie as unreal as Trek,but I've found that the weakest films are those which routinely break the fourth wall by failing to engage the viewer enough to look past the absurdities or the flaws and just enjoy the ride...

I have never regretted my decision to purchase May 7th IMAX tickets, even though they are a bit more costly, and money is tight right now with school, but your post makes me even more exicited than before

Thank you!
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Old April 29 2009, 09:53 PM   #1462
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Re: World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

And speaking of Kirk's birth, I think it would be funny has hell to have the nurse say something like "Oh my..."
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Franklin:

Remembering what I've read of Countdown, the Enterprise was far away enough to escape...Ambassador Picard and Captain Data essentially believe that Spock is dead, and I don't think they realize what's really happened....I'm not sure about this, but I don't really think there is any feasible way for them to find out the truth about Spock's ultimate fate anyway...

I think the point of Countdown was to give one last nod to the TNG universe (although I hope that more stories will continue in print or in comics), and to establish the new film's place within an alternate universe....I think that most likely Abrams and Co knew that most people wouldn't read the comic, and if he's intent on bringing in newbies to the franchise, it probably makes more sense to keep the mindmeld/flashback as simple as possible...Show Spock and Nero (who have already been introduced to the audience), but don't allude to TNG, because not everyone will immediatley recognize the E or the characters
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Old April 29 2009, 10:07 PM   #1464
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Remembering what I've read of Countdown, the Enterprise was far away enough to escape...Ambassador Picard and Captain Data essentially believe that Spock is dead, and I don't think they realize what's really happened....I'm not sure about this, but I don't really think there is any feasible way for them to find out the truth about Spock's ultimate fate anyway...

I think the point of Countdown was to give one last nod to the TNG universe (although I hope that more stories will continue in print or in comics), and to establish the new film's place within an alternate universe....I think that most likely Abrams and Co knew that most people wouldn't read the comic, and if he's intent on bringing in newbies to the franchise, it probably makes more sense to keep the mindmeld/flashback as simple as possible...Show Spock and Nero (who have already been introduced to the audience), but don't allude to TNG, because not everyone will immediatley recognize the E or the characters
I'm sorry, you misunderstood my question. I meant that from what I've read, at the end of the movie, the Enterprise is nearly pulled into the black hole that is destroying Nero's ship.
What I was wondering is if the Enterprise was too far away from Vulcan to be affected by the gravity of the black hole destroying it. If they were orbiting Vulcan as it was being destroyed and the gravitational field did not capture them, it seems inconsistent that they'd end up getting caught in the one destroying Nero's ship.
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Old April 29 2009, 10:15 PM   #1465
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^^ Having seen it, I don't remember having the impression that the Enterprise was close enough to be drawn into the Vulcan black hole. However, at the end of the film, I do remember that Sulu seemed to be pretty lax at the helm because it showed the Enterprise just sort of leisurely floating towards the spatial disruption. Once Nero is drawn in beyond the point of no return, Kirk casually says something like: "Sulu, let's get out of here." Sulu tries to kick it into high gear, then I'm pretty sure someone says they're "at warp" but aren't going anywhere due to the gravity well. The film goes to some lengths to show that Sulu is somewhat new at this, but I imagine Kirk may have given him a bit of a talking to (offscreen) after their escape for having had them that close to the black hole in the first place!
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Old April 29 2009, 10:17 PM   #1466
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Quark's Lobe: (sorry, I either haven't been here long enough to quote messages in my reply, or I don't know how)

You have brilliantly stated what I have been trying to articulate for so long to some of my friends, and I am so happy that having seen the film you relate that my suspicions are true. A truly good movie will make us forget all the backstory of its development, and instead focus on the story...and I am so happy to hear that you were angry with Nero, not Abrams, because in my estimation that makes this film a success in the sense that it is compelling enough to leave the nitpicking for afterwards! I am a Journalism major, and I can only say that it is one of the hardest things for me to sit through a film that I have strong feelings about and enjoy it the way it is meant to be enjoyed rather than imagine what I may say later on....in some sense of course, we all check our brains at the door for a movie as unreal as Trek,but I've found that the weakest films are those which routinely break the fourth wall by failing to engage the viewer enough to look past the absurdities or the flaws and just enjoy the ride...

I have never regretted my decision to purchase May 7th IMAX tickets, even though they are a bit more costly, and money is tight right now with school, but your post makes me even more exicited than before

Thank you!
I think this point about the movie has been reiterated by many posters in this thread, including I. in my estimate, and as I've posted before, the sheer emotional impact the movie has on the viewer makes every nitpicking point pale in comparison. sure, the nitpickers will abide, but they'll be doing themselves a disfavor by concentrating on the minutiae.

oh, and my dad and I got IMAX tix for the 8th. I've seen it once, and I'll see it with other people at the regular screens. but my dad and I are going to see it in IMAX -- and it'll be our special Trek moment
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Old April 29 2009, 10:40 PM   #1467
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There are a couple of reasons. For one, this movie takes place in an alternate reality that is created by characters in the existing Trek reality - namely old Spock and Nero, and in that reality, Kirk died in Generations. Second, the alternate reality takes place in the very earliest days of the Enterprise crew, it does not flash forward to the "Next Generation" era of this reality. To do so would defeat the purpose of starting over again, so that stories can now be told without the burden of continuity.
IMO, the only hindrance to the Shatman's appearance in the movie was his growing (read, unstoppable) girth.
I'm gonna say it--post your weight when you're in your late 70's. Gravity catches up with everyone.
Nimoy's pretty slim.
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IMO, the only hindrance to the Shatman's appearance in the movie was his growing (read, unstoppable) girth.
I'm gonna say it--post your weight when you're in your late 70's. Gravity catches up with everyone.
Nimoy's pretty slim.
That's true. But metabolism slows down as you age, simple biology.

Of course Shatner may just pig out like a mad fool, what do I know?

Just seems such an easy criticism of the Shat when there's so much more material to work with..
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I think you're missing the point: it's ALL individual. genetics figures largely into it. some people LOSE weight as they grow older. granted, most people don't. but it's not a hard and fast rule.
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I think you're missing the point: it's ALL individual. genetics figures largely into it. some people LOSE weight as they grow older. granted, most people don't. but it's not a hard and fast rule.
True.
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