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Old April 7 2009, 09:30 PM   #181
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'Star Trek has been ruined because of product placement !!!!'

Man, the rolly eyes icon was invented for such inane sentiments



They used an obvious Samsonite suitcase in TOS season 1s This Side of Paradise and an obvious AT & T telphone in Assignment: Earth--those sell-outs!

It is way cool IMO to assume that some products and companies might survive into future centuries, survive wars, natural disasters and economic upheavals. Like on Enterprise when they showed the crew still enjoying 20th century cinema.
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Old April 7 2009, 09:30 PM   #182
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If it's set in space on a starship the main factor is the quality of stories told--not whether the exact parameters of the original timeline are adherred to. Especially since a new TOS era show would be featuring almost exclusively new characters.

I am so anxious and excited for this movie speaking as a fan from 1970. And it's not dishonoring anything from the past 40+ years.
Just a personal opinion, Grant, but it needs to be considered...

The tone of Star Trek has always mirrored its time and its society. I fear - GREATLY - that we may need to wait a little longer before we can hope for what we used to love. The "you and I" of today are gamers, locked into Halo Wars, and remain in the middle of 8+ years of righteous military aggression. The Twelve-year olds don't remember a time when we were not war-like.

It may take some time before we see "Our" Star Trek back again. I can only hope that culture changes, and we find the nobility we sought back 'in the day.'
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Old April 7 2009, 09:34 PM   #183
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OH no !!! The fictional planet Vulcan is destroyed in one timeline of the gigantic Trek universe!!!! How shall i live?!? Trek is finished!!


As much as i hate the line.....Get a life.
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Old April 7 2009, 09:35 PM   #184
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Is the time-traveling black hole natural or man-made?


Although I wouldn't really call it a black hole as there's pretty much no emerging from one of those things. I can think of some technobabble involving plucking wormholes from quantum foam, but again, simplicity is key when dealing with a theatre full of moviegoers.
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Old April 7 2009, 09:37 PM   #185
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So that's it? They destroy Vulcan for good??? Is this a frakking joke??? So no more Vulcan in any future incarnations of "Star Trek"? This is the most ludicrous, rdiculous thing I have ever heard them do! Where on earth is the hope and humanity in that as Abrams keeps espousing? That must be billions dead! And don't give me this alternate universe crap with how it's all bright and dandy in the real Star Trek universe. Why is everyone so gang ho on watching an alternate universe anyway? If you hate Star Trek that much go and watch another show! For Christ's sake.
Wow! Talk about over the top!
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Old April 7 2009, 09:39 PM   #186
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If it's set in space on a starship the main factor is the quality of stories told--not whether the exact parameters of the original timeline are adherred to. Especially since a new TOS era show would be featuring almost exclusively new characters.

I am so anxious and excited for this movie speaking as a fan from 1970. And it's not dishonoring anything from the past 40+ years.
Just a personal opinion, Grant, but it needs to be considered...

The tone of Star Trek has always mirrored its time and its society. I fear - GREATLY - that we may need to wait a little longer before we can hope for what we used to love. The "you and I" of today are gamers, locked into Halo Wars, and remain in the middle of 8+ years of righteous military aggression. The Twelve-year olds don't remember a time when we were not war-like.

It may take some time before we see "Our" Star Trek back again. I can only hope that culture changes, and we find the nobility we sought back 'in the day.'

And it is a big budget movie--not a series---which will always have more time for more in-depth characterizations. There is no way they could make an old-fashioned slower paced movie to re-launch this series. It has to start or re-start with a bang in the same way each of the spin-off series started with 'big' (for TV) epic type opening episodes.

Abrams produces TV as well. Is it impossible he would be asked to launch a trek universe series to be a companion to the movie series?
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Old April 7 2009, 09:42 PM   #187
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Excuse me, but we had 9/11. We ARE at peace with other beings. VULCUNS !!!! OTHER ALIENS !!!!

The Planet Killer destroyed planets and starships (the Doomsday Machine).

Vejur destroyed countless worlds.

Star Trek is not about us being in a Utopia, it is about us being better, and surviving to that future.

There was conflict with the Romulans and the Klingons.

The antagonists actions have NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMANITY'S SENSIBILITIES !!!!!

Saying this film violates Gene Roddenberry's visoon of HUMANITY (not Romulans) is absolutely incorrect.
I am getting tired of repeating myself so I wont again. Read what I have already written or don't, I don't care. If you cannot see how this might be at odds with the peacful and hopeful future potrayed in Star Trek then that's your prerogative.
On the contrary, my good man, it is you who are not paying attention one whit to people's responses to your grossly exaggerated suppositions about human nature and morality. Your condescending, over the top, disrespectful rhetoric does an injustice to the core of your argument.

I, for one, understand what you are saying, and I disagree emphatically and completely. Now, unless you have a new topic to discuss, I suggest you rant elsewhere.
I'm sorry If I caused you offense. I have already toned down on the ranting, if you read any of my further posts you can see for yourself. This Vulcan thing just made me really angry. Of all the stories they could have told they go for this. Okay, its only a movie and I shouldn't get upset about it, but I did.
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Old April 7 2009, 09:44 PM   #188
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I've got one more question for anyone who has seen the film. Are there any large space battles in the film?
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Old April 7 2009, 09:47 PM   #189
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So that's it? They destroy Vulcan for good??? Is this a frakking joke??? So no more Vulcan in any future incarnations of "Star Trek"? This is the most ludicrous, rdiculous thing I have ever heard them do! Where on earth is the hope and humanity in that as Abrams keeps espousing? That must be billions dead! And don't give me this alternate universe crap with how it's all bright and dandy in the real Star Trek universe. Why is everyone so gang ho on watching an alternate universe anyway? If you hate Star Trek that much go and watch another show! For Christ's sake.
Wow! Talk about over the top!
You said it Devon.

Billions dead???
During the original series there was multiple examples of entire worlds being destroyed by the Doomsday Machine, the giant ameoba, Nomad, the novelty vomit creatures from Operation: Annilhate and most of those episodes ended with some forced laughter.


Sorry, 'over the top dude', but this has been common to Trek since 1966.
Maybe he's just a bigot who only cares if vulcans die.

If the script didn't offend Nimoy--it's not gonna offend me or turn me into some, "Oh the humanity!!!" blubbering wacko
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Old April 7 2009, 09:52 PM   #190
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I've got one more question for anyone who has seen the film. Are there any large space battles in the film?

I don't know the answer, but how could it NOT?

Since every review I looked at spoiler or no has said it's completely action-packed---they can't just mean fist-fights can they?

Perhaps you mean 'fleet battles' as opposed to single ship battles. Unlikely since the 'bad guy' only has one ship--I think. Perhaps a fleet against his single ship---as first contact showed very briefly in First Contact---VERY BRIEFLY
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Old April 7 2009, 09:53 PM   #191
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And it is a big budget movie--not a series---which will always have more time for more in-depth characterizations. There is no way they could make an old-fashioned slower paced movie to re-launch this series. It has to start or re-start with a bang in the same way each of the spin-off series started with 'big' (for TV) epic type opening episodes.

Abrams produces TV as well. Is it impossible he would be asked to launch a trek universe series to be a companion to the movie series?
Not impossible - and, considering his recent work - he would be just about the only person nowadays I could trust to reboot a series. He has the juice to get it done, and the proven track record of doing television "Outside the Box."

If this be treason, let us make the most of it - From your lips, to Paramount's ears...

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Old April 7 2009, 10:00 PM   #192
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What could be cool is a big budget (for TV) mini-series that perhaps even could provide a lead-in or be tied in some way to a future sequel. Such as the Current Trek comic books which are telling stories that have links to the movie.

Or a limited series with only 13 ep per season.

I just don't think we'll ever see 26 or 22 episode Trek seasons again because of the time & budgets involved with such an undertaking.

I have always hoped for a trek series set in the 23rd century since ironically that's what we haven't had for the longest period of time at this point.
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Old April 7 2009, 10:01 PM   #193
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Old April 7 2009, 10:03 PM   #194
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Your moms basement called, it's ready for you to move in.



Yeah and you better move fast because if she has to do it for you---she's gonna find those books under your bed---you know what i mean.
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Old April 7 2009, 10:06 PM   #195
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It is way cool IMO to assume that some products and companies might survive into future centuries, survive wars, natural disasters and economic upheavals. Like on Enterprise when they showed the crew still enjoying 20th century cinema.
No its not! Star Trek always was about a world without trademarks and capitalism. of course they showed brands in ST IV, most parts of the movies played in the 80ies! Star Trek plays in the 23rd century; a time where money and companies are relics of the past...

If you deny that Star Trek always transported strong anti capitalistic messages you just didnt understand the show. it is the main reason you usually dont see any brands in this show.
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