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Old May 1 2009, 11:54 PM   #1516
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Re: World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

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That would have to mean that this new universe can't be too different than the other...for if that's so, then Enterprise happened, and if Enterprise happened, then the Borg in FC happened too, which means that the 24th century events that led to the events in FC happened, and so on.
I've thought about this quite a lot too within Star Trek canon logic, and I assume that the Abramsverse routes around this so there's a version of FC taking place in its 24th Century, or something like that anyway.

I agree with Janeway when she said temporal mechanics made her head hurt.
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Old May 1 2009, 11:54 PM   #1517
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Kirk hadn't logged a single star hour(whatever that is)
Presumably spaceship duty, as opposed to a desk job.

My problem is that this lacks imagination...if Trek debuted in 1966 and took place in 2266, then why can't TMP take place in 2279, and the missing years in between are simply that...missing! They weren't depicted on screen, but Kirk had further adventures, got promoted to Admiral, got bored pushing papers, and then V'Ger comes along in '79...
I forget what the Chronology says, but I always figured that TMP took place about three years after the 5-year mission-- the figure Decker quotes is 2 1/2 years-- which puts it five years after the end of the series. Then Kirk commands another 5-year mission (per "Thataway"), which would end about two or three years before TWOK and during which he once again steps down from command and becomes a teacher at the Academy.
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Old May 2 2009, 01:44 AM   #1518
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Anyone know of any advance screenings in the Boston area? I've dug deep and found exactly 0 info.
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Old May 2 2009, 02:26 AM   #1519
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^ Actually we have no idea when Kirk first took command of the Enterprise in the original timeline.
I thought that once they used the 2283 date on the romulan ale in ST2 that it more or less set his first 5 year mission as 2265-69 as Khan was marooned 15 years earlier
No. All that scene showed was Kirk looking at the bottle, reading the date (2283), and McCoy replying that it takes the stuff awhile to ferment. That's *it*. It doesn't say anything about Kirk or his career or when he took command. Only concerned itself with an ale bottle.

It did certainly imply that a fair amount of time had gone by since that bottle was made, but as we would later learn, it's only two years anyway (TWOK takes place in 2285).
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Old May 2 2009, 03:09 AM   #1520
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Anyone know of any advance screenings in the Boston area? I've dug deep and found exactly 0 info.
Nothing I know about, but I've already got tickets to two of the IMAX showings in Reading on Thursday!!
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Old May 2 2009, 03:36 AM   #1521
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There wasn't anything in "Star Trek Enterprise" other than one episode - the one about the Borg ship in Antartica - that required the movie "First Contact" to have taken place.
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Old May 2 2009, 05:08 PM   #1522
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^ I do understand what you've written, but I think they covered the age issue with the implication of the timeframe of TWOK. TMP was supposed to be 2 1/2 years after TOS (or thereabouts), and TWOK was supposed to be 10 years after that, which brings everything up to the right timeframe.

However, TWOK never mentions on screen the time between, so we'll never really know.
I usually just assume that Kirk was 40 in TMP, 50 in TWOK and 60 in TUC.

I don't know if that fits in the timeline... and I don't care.

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There wasn't anything in "Star Trek Enterprise" other than one episode - the one about the Borg ship in Antartica - that required the movie "First Contact" to have taken place.

Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
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Old May 2 2009, 05:09 PM   #1523
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Is Vulcan blown to bits or is it destroyed in a way in which the planet could have been sucked into an alternate universe timeline as Nero and Spock were?

Is it specified what year the main events take place/how old Kirk is? From what i read Spock prime was confused that Kirk was not Captain yet- does that mean the movie is in 2266?
Vulcan is blown to smithereens. Unless someone has mega industrial strength super glue and alot of spare time (not to mention knowing where and when it got sucked to) it aient coming back save for more time travel.

The opening scene takes place in 2233 - This is where Kirk is born. When we see him as an adult he is 25, making it 2258, and he then spends 3 years at the Academy before boarding the Enterprise, meaning the film should take place around 2260 (Give or take a few months).
If the main part of the movie is 2260, why would Spock-prime be confused that Kirk is not the Capt of the E yet? I thought Kirk Prime didnt take over until around 2265 or 2266- so now Nu-Kirk takes over 5 years earlier than Kirk-prime did?
Kirk says something like "How can I get back to the Enterprise if i've been thrown off it!"

To which Spock says "Then you are not commander of the Enterprise?"

Which I assumed meant that because he was on the Enterprise, Spock assumed he was Captain, and the fact that he'd been thrown off it is what threw Spock, not the year.
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Old May 2 2009, 05:22 PM   #1524
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Dennis wrote:
There wasn't anything in "Star Trek Enterprise" other than one episode - the one about the Borg ship in Antartica - that required the movie "First Contact" to have taken place.

Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
Yep, in a recording of the Warp 5 Complex ground breaking ceremony.

Screencap:
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...kenbow_175.jpg
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Old May 2 2009, 07:54 PM   #1525
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Dennis wrote:
There wasn't anything in "Star Trek Enterprise" other than one episode - the one about the Borg ship in Antartica - that required the movie "First Contact" to have taken place.

Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
Yep, in a recording of the Warp 5 Complex ground breaking ceremony.

Screencap:
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...kenbow_175.jpg
But that does not require the whole plotline of First Contact of Borgs and the Enterprise D crew to have happened. Just that Zefram Cochrane, a long established character, is played by James Cromwell.

You think he should look like Glenn Corbett? By that reasoning Chris Pine should look like Shatner!
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Old May 2 2009, 08:19 PM   #1526
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Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
Yep, in a recording of the Warp 5 Complex ground breaking ceremony.

Screencap:
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...kenbow_175.jpg
But that does not require the whole plotline of First Contact of Borgs and the Enterprise D crew to have happened. Just that Zefram Cochrane, a long established character, is played by James Cromwell.

You think he should look like Glenn Corbett? By that reasoning Chris Pine should look like Shatner!
Looking at that picture, I just realized that Captain Archer's dad was played by Duck Phillips from Mad Men... funny that the next post was by Donald Draper.
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Old May 2 2009, 08:33 PM   #1527
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Ha! Ha! Good catch!
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Old May 2 2009, 08:46 PM   #1528
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Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
Yep, in a recording of the Warp 5 Complex ground breaking ceremony.

Screencap:
http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...kenbow_175.jpg
But that does not require the whole plotline of First Contact of Borgs and the Enterprise D crew to have happened. Just that Zefram Cochrane, a long established character, is played by James Cromwell.

You think he should look like Glenn Corbett? By that reasoning Chris Pine should look like Shatner!
My intent was not to imply that the storyline of First Contact had to have happened. I was answering the direct question of James Cromwell playing Cochrane in "Broken Bow" and providing the screencap. I suppose I should've just quoted the question I was answering and not the whole bit about FC beforehand from Dennis, which hence probably caused the inference.
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Old May 2 2009, 09:39 PM   #1529
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Dennis wrote:
There wasn't anything in "Star Trek Enterprise" other than one episode - the one about the Borg ship in Antartica - that required the movie "First Contact" to have taken place.

Didn't James Cromwell appear in the premiere as Zefram Cochrane?
Yes, but Cochrane was already established in "Metamorphosis." The fact that he was quite sensibly played by the actor who'd played him in "First Contact" implies nothing about whether any of the time-incursion events in that movie would have taken place - nowhere is it ever suggested that Cochrane spontaneously mutated (or metamorphized, sorry) from being Glen Corbett to being James Cromwell because Picard came back in time from the 24th century. Cochrane existed and invented warp flight either way.

By the same token, interestingly enough, the "Mirror Universe" episode of "Star Trek Enterprise" opens with the meeting between Cochrane and the Vulcans as shown at the end of "First Contact" while completely sidestepping the question of whether Mirror-Picard and his mirror crew were involved in any way.

EDIT: Draper beat me to this, and with a great deal less verbosity.
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Old May 2 2009, 11:09 PM   #1530
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REALLY entertaining flick! Loved the in-references and most of the "new" stuff.

Won't go into detail, but I'm giving it ***1/2 out of four. Half off one star because I felt the framing story and villain weren't as strong or interesting as the rest of the flick.

And I'm so glad I AVOIDED SPOILERS for all this time. So much of WHAT happens is great in the film. Knowing about it ahead of time would have drained so much of the enjoyment away.

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