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Old April 3 2009, 09:17 PM   #31
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^OMG, that sounds like a fucking stupid story.
It was poorly written. Much of it revolved around the fact that women were never promoted to Captain, as they wouldn't be taken seriously.

"Don't go noble on us, Mr. Spock," Uhura said. "A perfectly 'logical' offer. Why shouldn't she want to remain a man? It's better for her chosen work. She might even want to command some day."

Kirk winced, and he rather thought that the Admiral did, too. "That battle will still have to be fought."
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Old April 3 2009, 09:40 PM   #32
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I believe in DS9 Mission Gamma: Cathedral that we revealed that Ro Laren had previously had both male and female lovers.
IIRC, that wasn't in MG but in Abyss. She mentioned (in internal dialogue) a list of past lovers, and one of them was called Dana. Which may be a woman, but not necessarily.

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I seem to recall(dimly, and I'm open to correction)that Prynn Tenmei briefly considered "chatting up"one of her female Academy classmates when she was having little sucess with the males.
No, that definitely happened. But then her attraction to Shar, who is not entirely male, shows that she's open-minded about such things.

* The one someone was thinking about from Tales from the Captain's Table is from DRG3's "Iron and Sacrifice," where one of Captain Sulu's ancestors was a gay male couple.

* There's also Ensign Stadi, the quickly-killed Voyager helm officer from "Caretaker," who was established (either in the Caretaker novelization or in KRAD's Brave & the Bold, I forget which) as having lesbian parents.

* And there was the lesbian Klingon in Taking Wing who felt up Christine Vale's ass (onboard, as I never cease to be amused by, a ship called the Vaj).

* I seem to vaguely remember (from Section 31: Rogue) a brief passing mention of an ex-boyfriend of Hawk's, previous to Keru.
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Old April 3 2009, 09:45 PM   #33
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I understand that there was a gay Cardassian mentioned in the Sacred Chalice story in the MU shards and shadows anthology. He was the son of a Gul I believe.
Andrul, son of Gul Taqut. His father took him to the Sacred Chalice brothel to make a man of him, but Lwaxana Troi (the madam) sensed his true interest and sent him off with Deanna -- who, instead of sleeping with him as Taqut was led to assume, escorted him to a room occupied by two burly Terran men (unnamed).
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Old April 3 2009, 10:06 PM   #34
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Ensign Loolooa Tereshini is a bisexual xenolinguist on Titan. She appears in Sword of Damocles.
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Old April 3 2009, 10:53 PM   #35
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I'd just like to point out that in including alien species with different sexual paradigms, such as the four-sexed Andorians, it's probably important not to equate them with Human sexual orientations.
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Old April 3 2009, 10:58 PM   #36
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Ensign Loolooa Tereshini is a bisexual xenolinguist on Titan. She appears in Sword of Damocles.
Since we're speaking about an alien, this requires clarification: do you mean "bisexual" in the behavioral sense or the anatomical sense?
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Old April 4 2009, 12:17 AM   #37
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Ensign Loolooa Tereshini is a bisexual xenolinguist on Titan. She appears in Sword of Damocles.
Since we're speaking about an alien, this requires clarification: do you mean "bisexual" in the behavioral sense or the anatomical sense?

Hm. I don't think we've been given a canon description of Antaran anatomy. I assumed two genders for the species which is the default for Star Trek.

She's just finished a relationship with a male and is attempting to start one with a female. I envisioned her culture as having no taboos in this area so, by our standard, she's bisexual.

Unlike, say, Burgoyne who is an hermaphrodite.
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Old April 4 2009, 12:22 AM   #38
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Concerning the Titan character Bowan Radowski, was it just me or was it implied that Radowski was interested in Keru? I remember reading something about a look between them but it has yet to be followed up on. And actually, I don't think the character has appeared since the first 2 Titan novels, though I could be wrong.
It hasn't been made overt, but it's safe to assume that Radowski is attracted to other men -- perhaps exclusively, perhaps not.
Well, Radowski's story was supposed to be part of a "future" Titan project from Mike and I, but it has yet to materialize. Perhaps if I do some comics for IDW it can happen.

Meanwhile, Keru ("he") does hook up with someone unnamed ("him") at the end of Sword of Damocles.

BTW, both bartender Scot Bishop-Walker and security officer Shelly Hutchison are named after real people, both of whom are gay, though I don't believe either of them has had their orientation covered in the books.
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Old April 4 2009, 12:28 AM   #39
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Two of Khan's male followers are married in TO REIGN IN HELL. I can't recall their names anymore, but the camp's primary physician is gay.
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Old April 4 2009, 12:42 AM   #40
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^And while Andy & Mike created and introduced Richter and Etana in the comics, I'm fairly certain that the comics never got around to establishing their relationship before the series was cancelled. In fact, I don't think Richter got more than one passing mention in one issue. So in terms of what's actually in print, their relationship was indeed introduced in Twilight.
True to a point.
There were two specific examples of it that were "thwarted".

The first was when a word balloon was placed over them holding hands while walking through the Promenade. Though I just looked back at the page (issue #10 double-page spread) and notice that the artist didn't draw them holding hands as told. But Etana is still blocked by Odo's word balloon (and Krissten is drawn hideously). You do see Quark checking out Etana's butt though (even if she's hidden by the balloon), so he paid attention to SOME of our scene instructions.

In issue #11, Nog makes a comment to Etana about her "mate." I believe it was originally a bit more clear, but perhaps was changed in editing.

The second was when an artist failed to draw one of them into the scene properly (although instructed to) in a way that would have made things clear. This would have been the sickbay scene at the end of issue #15.

When the DS9 relaunch and Mission Gamma were underway, we talked to Marco early on about bringing the characters into the books. It was to be clear that they were a couple, and put into the "bible" and plots; it just happened that they were written by David before they were written by Mike and I.

So on a technicality, due to artistic interference, the specifics of their relationship WERE first revealed by David. And we are grateful for that, and he (and others) have written them well. But we did create and introduce the characters, and originally wrote their relationship into the comics (issues #10, 11 and 15). Hope that helps to clear things up.
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Old April 4 2009, 12:47 AM   #41
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I believe in DS9 Mission Gamma: Cathedral that we revealed that Ro Laren had previously had both male and female lovers.
IIRC, that wasn't in MG but in Abyss. She mentioned (in internal dialogue) a list of past lovers, and one of them was called Dana. Which may be a woman, but not necessarily.
I believe we made it explicitly clear in Cathedral, but again, not remembering where or in what scene.

* And there was the lesbian Klingon in Taking Wing who felt up Christine Vale's ass (onboard, as I never cease to be amused by, a ship called the Vaj).
I had forgotten about that one. Well, the ship's name wasn't meant that it was a Klingon Olivia cruise vessel. But that scene was fun to write!
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Old April 4 2009, 12:49 AM   #42
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In Peter David's Imzadi Lwaxana Troi says she had been part of an arranged marriage when younger but she called it off when she realized her intended husband was in love with someone else: "Another man." She further states that the same-sex pair "made a cuter couple than we did."
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Old April 4 2009, 01:05 AM   #43
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Concerning the Titan character Bowan Radowski, was it just me or was it implied that Radowski was interested in Keru? I remember reading something about a look between them but it has yet to be followed up on. And actually, I don't think the character has appeared since the first 2 Titan novels, though I could be wrong.
It hasn't been made overt, but it's safe to assume that Radowski is attracted to other men -- perhaps exclusively, perhaps not.
Well, Radowski's story was supposed to be part of a "future" Titan project from Mike and I, but it has yet to materialize. Perhaps if I do some comics for IDW it can happen.

Meanwhile, Keru ("he") does hook up with someone unnamed ("him") at the end of Sword of Damocles.

BTW, both bartender Scot Bishop-Walker and security officer Shelly Hutchison are named after real people, both of whom are gay, though I don't believe either of them has had their orientation covered in the books.
There were two plot threads in SoD that I didn't feel were "mine" to tie off. One was the Troi's baby.
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Old April 4 2009, 01:49 AM   #44
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T'Prynn from
"Vanguard: Harbinger" by David Mack
"Vanguard: Summon the Thunder" by Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore
"Vanguard: Reap the Whirlwind" by David Mack
"The Lost Era: The Art Of the Impossible" by Keith R.A. DeCandido

I seem to remember her appearing in a flashback in one of the DS9 Relaunch novels (one of the Mission Gamma books I think), or maybe they just referenced her, as Prynn Tenmei is named after her.
T'Prynn actually first appeared (and was established as a character) in Lesser Evil, the final Mission: Gamma novel, by Robert Simpson. All her subsequent appearances (in The Art of the Impossible and the Vanguard books) came out after that.


Bart Faulwell & Anthony Mark from
the S.C.E. series.
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Dr. Bartholomew "Bart" Faulwell, the linguist and cryptography expert on the U.S.S. da Vinci, is gay. He appeared in 48 of the 74 Starfleet Corps of Engineers eBooks.

His lover, Lt. Commander Anthony Mark, was mentioned in several of the eBooks (first in Hard Crash by Christie Golden), but didn't appear until War Stories Book 2 by Keith R.A. DeCandido (which detailed how the two of them met), and also appeared in Creative Couplings Book 2 by Glenn Hauman & Aaron Rosenberg, and Ghost by Ilsa J. Bick.

The eBook Blackout by Phaedra M. Weldon had a species known as the Asarions, who switch sexes. Bart almost sorta kinda has a relationship with one of them.


I've been told there are two gay characters in the upcoming Mryiad Universe graphic novel "Star Trek: The Lost Generation" - which can be preordered from Amazon.
Minor point: it's entitled The Last Generation, not Lost.


Also: we meet a Benzite character in A Singular Destiny by self who is contemplating a relationship with someone of the same sex.


Christopher mentioned the Damiani, who are my own creation, a species with three sexes (each one having male and female aspects). They're first seen in the comic book miniseries Perchance to Dream, which came out from WildStorm in 1999-2000, and a character from that miniseries, Ra'ch B'ullhy, also appeared in A Time for War, a Time for Peace by Keith R.A. DeCandido, Trill: Unjoined by Andy Mangels & Michael A. Martin, and Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido. The world of Damiano also showed up in the short story "Oil and Water" by Robert T. Jeschonek in the New Frontier: No Limits anthology, a tale that featured the hermaphrodite Burgoyne, the three-sexed Damiani, and the single-sexed J'naii (from the TNG episode "The Outcast").
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Old April 4 2009, 02:12 AM   #45
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The eBook Blackout by Phaedra M. Weldon had a species known as the Asarions, who switch sexes. Bart almost sorta kinda has a relationship with one of them.
I've never been clear on this - Did Bart and Anthony actually break up? I'm not up to that story yet so maybe it will be self-evident by then, but there seemed to be some problems between them in Creative Couplings and Small World. So did they and I just didn't see it, or is it an issue yet to be dealt with (from my way-behind persective) ?
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