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Old January 27 2009, 08:11 PM   #1
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Songs from "How Much For Just The Planet"

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Therin's been promising for months that he'd get to work on compiling a list of the songs from HMFJTP... we're still waiting with bated breath. So far, the only two that have been definitively identified are the "Theme from Rawhide" (for "Rollin', rollin', rollin'" on p. 124) and "Falling In Love Again" (for "Falling apart again" on p. 161).

One of them was "Just a Gigolo" (The I ain't got no body) one. And I recognized an HMS Pinafore song.
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Okay, that's progress. Maybe if this effort to identify the songs gets seriously underway, we should start a separate, possibly pinned thread for it, though there are perhaps too many pinned threads already.

I have misplaced my copy of the book. When I get a new one I shall try to figure more of them out.
I really really want to try and get this in print for our Humor in Star Trek issue upcoming after the movie - anyone else who knows the songs, please holler or PM me with what they are!
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OK, Trek Readers, let's go to work!
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Old January 27 2009, 08:33 PM   #2
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Re: Songs from "How Much For Just The Planet"

To help organize things, I'll make a list of all the songs, by page number (from the first edition) and opening line:

1) p. 75-7: "We thought that you might like to know": Reprised on p. 250-1 as "We hope that you've enjoyed your stay"

2) p. 85: "When first the light of dawning": Perhaps not a song, just a short inscription

3) p. 87-9: "We'd like to welcome you sincerely"

4) p. 94-5: "I'm supposed to be a princess": Reprised on p. 106-7 as "I suppose you've heard the story"

5) p. 124-5: "Rollin' rollin' rollin'": Identified as "Rawhide" by Dmitri Tiomkin and Ned Washington.

6) p. 128-30: "From the minute you're born": The evident "title" of this song is "My Own Sweet Tyrannical Way."

7. p. 138-40: "When I was just a little chap, my father said to me": Sounds very Gilbert & Sullivan.

8) p. 161: "Falling apart again": Identified as "Falling in Love Again" by Frederick Hollander and Sammy Lerner.

9) Also p. 161: "I'm an automaton": May be "Just a Gigolo" by Leonello Casucci and Julius Brammer, but doesn't quite fit.

9a) p. 162: "Oh, I / Ain't got no body...": These two lines quoted in isolation are a paraphrase of "I Ain't Got Nobody" by Spencer Williams (best known as part of a medley in which it is combined with "Just a Gigolo")

10) p. 165-7: "Once the screen was really silver": The evident "title" of this song is "Monochrome."



Note: the last line of song 3 is "Stompin' at the Savoy Way." "Stompin' at the Savoy" was a Benny Goodman song, however, its verse structure doesn't match song 3.

The one I'm most curious about is "My Own Sweet Tyrannical Way." Back before I knew there were real songs these were based on, I composed my own melodies for them in my head. Most of them were forgettable, but I came up with a good one for this song, which was actually based on "Hit the Road Jack," but modified to fit the lyrics. It's the only one of the tunes I came up with that I still remember. The real song it's based on probably sounds entirely different...
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Old January 27 2009, 08:35 PM   #3
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Re: Songs from "How Much For Just The Planet"

^

Oh, sure, be all organized and what not. What're you some kinda writer??


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Old January 27 2009, 08:41 PM   #4
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7. p. 138-40: "When I was just a little chap, my father said to me": Sounds very Gilbert & Sullivan.

8a) p. 162: "Oh, I / Ain't got no body...": These two lines quoted in isolation are a paraphrase of "I Ain't Got Nobody" by Spencer Williams (best known as part of a medley in which it is combined with "Just a Gigolo")


I am pretty sure the top one's from HMS Pinafore. Damn, I wish I had my book handy.

And the one on page 162 matches up songwise with "Just a Gigolo" all the way through.
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Old January 27 2009, 08:50 PM   #5
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^^Actually that would be the second song on p. 161, which I now see is separate from "Falling apart again." And it almost matches "Just a Gigolo", but not quite. (I've edited my above post with this information.)
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Old January 28 2009, 04:40 PM   #6
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7. p. 138-40: "When I was just a little chap, my father said to me": Sounds very Gilbert & Sullivan.
I am pretty sure the top one's from HMS Pinafore. Damn, I wish I had my book handy.
You're probably thinking of "When I Was a Lad" from Pinafore, but the meter is different. And I can't find anything else in Pinafore that fits.
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Old January 28 2009, 06:08 PM   #7
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The problem is that so many parody lyrics seem "close" a particular song, but the lyrics don't scan properly. Writing lyrics that match and scan to a melody is tougher than most people think.

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Old January 28 2009, 06:28 PM   #8
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^^Which raises the question: Did Ford match all these songs precisely to the tunes of existing songs, or are some of them just pastiches that aren't meant to correspond exactly? Without knowing that, it could be hard to make positive identifications.
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Old January 29 2009, 05:18 AM   #9
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p. 76 From Charms Intramural - Gilbert and Sullivan - Ruddigore
p. 77 By A Simple Coincidence Few" - Gilbert and Sullivan - Patience
P. 77 Now to the banquet we press" - Gilbert and Sullivan - The Sorcerer

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Old February 25 2009, 09:33 PM   #10
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Well, I loaned the book to my father, who's pretty knowledgeable about musical matters, in the hopes that he could recognize some of the songs. But he had no luck. Increasingly I'm wondering if many of the songs are just "in the style of" rather than precisely "to the tune of."
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Old February 25 2009, 09:51 PM   #11
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Well, I loaned the book to my father, who's pretty knowledgeable about musical matters, in the hopes that he could recognize some of the songs. But he had no luck. Increasingly I'm wondering if many of the songs are just "in the style of" rather than precisely "to the tune of."
Yes, I was starting to think the same thing - which is a shame because it's always been one of those holy grails of TrekLit.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:43 AM   #12
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7. p. 138-40: "When I was just a little chap, my father said to me": Sounds very Gilbert & Sullivan.
I am pretty sure the top one's from HMS Pinafore. Damn, I wish I had my book handy.
You're probably thinking of "When I Was a Lad" from Pinafore, but the meter is different. And I can't find anything else in Pinafore that fits.
I don't own the book in question, so I don't have the rest of the lyrics of this, or any other song. However, based solely on the given line, my guess would be "Lemon Tree", made popular (if it wasn't already) by Peter, Paul, & Mary. Does this make sense?

When I was just a lad of ten, my father said to me,
Come here and learn a lesson from the lovely lemon tree.
Don't put your faith in love, my boy, my father said to me,
I fear you'll find that love is like the lovely lemon tree....
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Old February 26 2009, 04:50 AM   #13
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Well, I loaned the book to my father, who's pretty knowledgeable about musical matters, in the hopes that he could recognize some of the songs. But he had no luck. Increasingly I'm wondering if many of the songs are just "in the style of" rather than precisely "to the tune of."
Well the examples I quoted in post #9 are exact quotes from the various Gildert and Sullivan operettas.

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Old February 26 2009, 04:56 AM   #14
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To tmclough: Hmm, almost. The first line is almost the same and they're both in iambic heptameter, but the overall structure is different. "Lemon Tree" has three 4-line verses alternating with three identical 4-line refrains, but the song on pp. 138-40 has three 10-line verses alternating with three different 4-line refrains.

Maybe Ford created a composite song influenced by "Lemon Tree" but with more of a Gilbert & Sullivan structure and subject matter.

To Ktrek: Yes, that's true of the ones you quoted, but only of those. Those are sung by the Enterprise crew in response to their musical greeting from the natives, sort of getting into the spirit of things, so they're just quoting something readily at hand in their memories. The locals are doing whole original songs tailored to the occasions. So the ones you identified are the exceptions to the rule. Sorry.
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Old April 2 2009, 06:12 PM   #15
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Just starting reading this again. Haven't gotten to the golf yet. Just got past the first song, actually. "WILL THAT BE CASH OR CHARGE?" Hee.

Didn't I hear / read that Mr. Ford wanted to include a song guide in the book, but TPTB said no? If that's the case wouldn't that argue that there is a 1:1 to SOME song somewhere?
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