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View Poll Results: Which of these do you consider Canon?
Star Trek: The Animated Series 58 55.77%
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier 78 75.00%
"Threshold" (Star Trek: Voyager episode) 61 58.65%
Star Trek: Enterprise 77 74.04%
Star Trek XI 51 49.04%
Star Trek: New Voyages/Star Trek: Phase II 3 2.88%
Star Trek: Of Gods and Men 4 3.85%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

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Old February 25 2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Ultimate Canon poll

Which of these do you consider Canon?
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Old February 26 2009, 11:11 AM   #2
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I only ticked Threshold and Enterprise. I figure that if Spock's Brain is considered canon, then Threshold is too TATV would've been a tough one to decide on, but I think I'd have to say no. I have no problem accepting Enterprise as canon. But for those bits that don't make any sense - the Klingon first contact not being all that 'disastrous', or the whole Xindi/Expanse thing - I've just assumed it's the result of the constant meddling in the timeline thanks to the TCW.

I've never been overly keen on TFF and I find it hard to reconcile it with the rest of Trek.

Trek XI I'm holding out on, I'm avoiding all spoilers and knowledge of the film for now, but come May, I'll decide once and for all whether or not I consider it canon.

Phase II is an excellent fan production, but I view it the same as the novels being sort of pseudo-canon, until something comes along an definitively contradicts or confirms it.

OGAM was quite an entertaining film, but I didn't really see the point of it, so it's hard to fit it into canon. It's a nice idea to get Harriman involved though.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:04 PM   #3
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Long gone are the days when I really worry about what is and isn't canon, but my own view is that everything seen on screen, or starring the original actors, is canon. So all five Trek series, the ten films so far and the animated series. And nothing else yet.

Where Trek XI fits in I have no idea.
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Old February 26 2009, 04:08 PM   #4
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^ I agree with Piper. All of it's canon. No matter how much squinting you do to have to make it fit!
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Old February 26 2009, 08:34 PM   #5
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^ I agree with Piper. All of it's canon. No matter how much squinting you do to have to make it fit!
YA! I have the same view! Except for the Animated series, if it ain't live action and on the screen it ain't to be seen!
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Old February 26 2009, 08:40 PM   #6
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I clicked TAS, TFF, "Threshold", ENT and TrekXI. If it's onscreen and produced by the keepers of Trek at any given time, then it's part of the canon.
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Old February 26 2009, 08:44 PM   #7
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Options 2, 3, 4 & 5.
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Old February 26 2009, 09:14 PM   #8
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If you're reading a "canon" thread, you're probably a fellow obsessive, so greetings, brother or sister. But we are missing the point of canon.

To ask an individual if something is canon for him or her is contradictory to the traditional meaning of the word. Originally it meant measuring stick, and the most common usage is for the Hebrew Bible, the Christian Old Testament (not quite the same thing -- because of canon) and the Christian New Testament. The books commonly known to Christians were canonized -- officially circumscribed -- in the 4th and 5th centuries.

What I'm getting at is that a personal canon isn't one. Canon is an official designation to pre-empt discussions like the one here. In fact individuals who accepted different books or excluded canonical ones were considered heretics.

I'm pretty sure GR said TAS wasn't canon, and Paramount has said everything live-action from them IS. So there is one canon.

If another group, e.g. the PTB of this BBS, wanted to meet like a council of church "fathers" (sorry for the inherent sexism) and officially decree a different canon for its adherents, it could certainly do so, of course.

Maybe a better question would be, "Which ST events do you think actually will occur in the 23-24th centuries?" Of course, then we're getting into delusions.

A canon is actually a good thing to retreat to if you're obsessive because the rule is already determined for you. Then all you have to do is argue about why NX-01's nacelles are as they are, or whatever.
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Old February 26 2009, 10:28 PM   #9
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Everything but the fan productions are canon for me from this list. Trek XI is in another reality, but it's still 'real' and in my head 'Enterprise' happened a little differently than the holodeck filters we saw it through, but it still happened.

And don't forget, if it's onscreen it happened.
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Old February 26 2009, 10:30 PM   #10
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i ticked TFF and ENT. what's 'Threshold'?
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Old February 26 2009, 10:43 PM   #11
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We can't really pick and choose if it has been up on the screen. TATV is canon because it happened - but that's not to say it only ever happened on a holo-deck for Riker and Troi!

As for TAS it shouldn't be considered canon but it did give us the Kzinthi so for that I'd be inclined to include it!

Agree with Praetor that certain things happened in a slighter sifferent timeline or reality but they did happen. If they don't square with other aspects of Trek - such as Threshold or crazy brainless plots I just subscribe them to Q playing around. He can do that you know.
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Old February 26 2009, 10:46 PM   #12
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Though I didn't vote for the last two options because I don't know about them much and so wouldn't want to be wrong.
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Old February 26 2009, 11:44 PM   #13
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...and Paramount has said everything live-action from them IS...
Was that actually said? -- because I think I've seen it posted here that it wasn't.

I'd be happy to hear it was said; but considering how much argument there has been over canon, it makes me think it was not said -- or said by some equivocal source or something.
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Old February 27 2009, 12:06 AM   #14
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If you're reading a "canon" thread, you're probably a fellow obsessive, so greetings, brother or sister. But we are missing the point of canon.

To ask an individual if something is canon for him or her is contradictory to the traditional meaning of the word. Originally it meant measuring stick, and the most common usage is for the Hebrew Bible, the Christian Old Testament (not quite the same thing -- because of canon) and the Christian New Testament. The books commonly known to Christians were canonized -- officially circumscribed -- in the 4th and 5th centuries.

What I'm getting at is that a personal canon isn't one. Canon is an official designation to pre-empt discussions like the one here. In fact individuals who accepted different books or excluded canonical ones were considered heretics.
Color me an Arian, then. And remember, at least in the short term, the Arians won.

Then again, is it really against canon to believe that the entire series of Enterprise was a holodeck program on the Enterprise-D? I mean, I admit it happened. Just not really.

All I voted for was TFF. It's rapidly becoming my favorite Trek film out of spite.
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Old February 27 2009, 12:06 AM   #15
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Nothing. There is no 'canon'.

Why do fans constantly get this so utterly and completely wrong?
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