Heroes 3x21 "Into Asylum" Discuss and Grade

[Daneel]

As I mentioned before, I really wish they'd explain what kind of power Sylar used in that early scene when he was in Danko's car... or was it just an illusion/projection of himself? That kind of bugged me. Also, when did the shape-shifter touch Sylar (as he seemed to need to touch someone to take on their form)? I suppose he could have touched him in the club at some point, but I think Sylar would have noticed. Did he briefly knock Sylar out? That too seems unlikely.

Regardless, I did enjoy this episode and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. I was checking out the upcoming episodes on IMDB, and it seems we're going to be seeing some familiar faces in the coming weeks.

-Ali Larter is listed as being in the next few episodes, so I guess Tracy is still alive. Actually, it looks like the upcoming episode "1961" will also see the return of the doctor who "created" her, so perhaps we'll get more of an explanation as to her background.
-John Glover is appearing again as Sylar's father for the episode "I Am Sylar".
-The season finale, "An Invisible Thread", sees the return of both Dana Davis as Monica Dawson and Christopher Eccleston as Claude, the invisible man (I was hoping he'd come back)

Apparently, the season will be over before May, which is a Sweeps month. How odd. I wonder why that is?

I have to say, it's nice to actually be somewhat excited about this show again. Still not quite at Season One level of interest, but this is a nice boost.

[Obiwanshinobi]

did claire get her hair done on her way to mexico or something? it was a very character driven episode and it was effective enough. im also wondering how sylar was able to get out of the car so fast. probably some sort of unexplained telepathic projection he obtained.

i find it amusing how people keep saying they're gonna quit watching the show week in and week out, yet they keep coming back for more. i heard all this when Lost was in its slump, and its corrected itself and the people have rejoiced, i think in time this show will too. Still no paradigm shift in improvement, but it'll be gradual that's for sure, we just have to be patient. and i do think Fugitives has been alot better than Villains and Generations,

Volume 5 is supposedly called Redemption, so hopefully the name will be fitting in more ways than one.

[Yoda]

ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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i find it amusing how people keep saying they're gonna quit watching the show week in and week out, yet they keep coming back for more.

For me it's sometimes fun to watch a show that I once enjoyed but is no longer any good. It was almost as fun bashing Enterprise at times as it would be to have a good Star Trek show. Not sure what it is, I assume it's in geek DNA

[Obiwanshinobi]

^now there's a show i gave up on. actually i did however catch the finale and well yea. holodeck program. such a cop out.

[Dream]

startrekwatcher wrote:

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But I thought Sylar had Candace's ability so no real need to be a shapeshifter. I guess the writers must have forgetten about that.

Nope. In season two Sylar had lost his power when he killed Candice so he wasn't able to learn her ability. The writers probably thought illusion was too powerful.

Looks like Shapeshifting has a limit since Sylar's clothes stay the same whenever he changes. So Sylar can't be Nathan wearing a suit and tie one moment and be Claire in a dress seconds later. But I doubt he needs the power at all since he could kill anyone on this show right now.

I thought it was a nice character episode.

[Hunter X]

It was decent, better than a lot of stuff from the past two seasons. But I suppose that's already been said.

My favourite bit, though, was Nathan's taking-off-the-shoe gag in the hotel room during his touching drunken speech. He sat down, took one shoe off, moved to the bed to take off the other one, gave up after a while of talking and just lay down with one shoe still on. Just thought it was a nice counterpoint to the more serious stuff going on in the actual dialogue.

[FALCONX0N]

I have to say, this felt more like a season 1 episode. Gradual building tension, focus on characters, etc. Maybe it was just that there was a scene or two of 'creative power usage,' finally That's what I liked about this show! Clarie finally decided that there are more uses to 'complete tissue regeneration' than cutting off your toes! I'm still waiting for her to stop bitching about being unable to help out the rest with real superpowers, and realize that with her ability, she could train herself to olympic level physical capacity in an afternoon, or utilize weaponry that normal human beings can't... But that'll probably never happen, considering how god-awful she sounds when she tries to be all badass. (Well, that, and I don't think standards and practices would find the idea of a 18 year old girl hefting around an anti-tank rifle which shatters her collarbone and mangles her arm every time she fires it as amusing as I do)

[Checkmate]

I have to say, I really appreciated the music in these last two episodes, too.

I'm glad they have Fuller back and bringing everything back into focus again. I'm upset that I'll never get to see another episode of Pushing Daisies, but I'm glad someone, somewhere recognizes how fantastic he is even if his pet project shows don't appeal to the mass audience. As much a tragedy as that is.

[Mr Light]

Re: Danko... He's also really short with an abnormally large skull I call him Mr. Potato! How would Claire's abilities allow her to learn to become an Olympic level gymnist in an afternoon? That sounds like Micah's cousin from Season Two who can mimic anything she sees...

[TheBrew]

I gave this one an excellent, not because the drama was so great, but because I really enjoyed each of the characters. In fact, IMO, Noah was the weakest character of the ep which really says something. I had a good time and was able to connect with the characters again. This almost dropped off my radar, but now I'm interested in seeing it next week again.

[Mallet]

I think you can tell Fuller is back because suddenly Sylar can do stuff again that we have never seen him do before and do not know how he can do it. We saw this a lot in season one as well. Remember in season one when he was being shot and some how healing without having taken Clair's power, falling off a roof, yet getting up and walking away yet Peter who feel the same distance was all bent in half and dead? Or how about him flying away without having the flight power? Yep, looks like season one Sylar is back.

[Hermiod]

Above Average minus the Peter/Hiro Nerf Modifier gives us an Average.

Good Points
- The Sylar/Danko storyline is interesting. It's good to see Sylar being Sylar again.
- Limiting this to three two-handed stories was a good idea.
- Finally, the "good" guys are actually trying to do something about their situation instead of just running.

Bad Points
- We could have done without the Tequila business. I'd rather they just skipped past the no money situation like they did with Hiro and Ando.
- Peter's rant at God was silly. Though, he really should have asked why God frakked up his powers.

[Checkmate]

Mr Light wrote:

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How would Claire's abilities allow her to learn to become an Olympic level gymnist in an afternoon? That sounds like Micah's cousin from Season Two who can mimic anything she sees...

The person who said that was using hyperbole, no doubt, but Claire should be able to do some really amazing things. The entire reason most people can't lift a car in normal circumstances is because of the pain, muscles ripping, and so on and so forth. Claire doesn't have to worry about that sort of thing. At all.

The problem, however, is that Claire shouldn't be able to actually improve her physical condition. Any weight training she does will just be "healed" back to normal. At best, she might be able to work on her muscle memory, allowing her to practice things like gymnastics and acrobatics, but it wouldn't go too much faster for her than it would anyone else. She'd simply be able to skip all the safety measures most people take when learning and training.

I also always liked having Monica on the show. With her, Peter, and Hiro's now-dead flame (which, incidently, is why Sylar seems to be so smart now) was a great trio of powers that were similar but vastly different. One could do any physical action that any normal person could do, one could do all the extraordinary things that people with abilities could do, and one could do anything someone could learn to do by reading and studying. I just thought it was a really interesting take on the standard comic book power mimicry.

[Hermiod]

^Sylar lost Charlie's eidetic memory along with the rest of his acquired powers, except telekinesis, when he was infected with the virus.

[MNM]

Dorian Thompson wrote:

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Preferably last week. Add "can hold 22 shots" to her list of overwhelming and utterly useless abilities.

Hardly useless. It's in the top 3 powers you can have.

But she's just like Wolverine, can live forever but cant get drunk to pass the time.

I liked this episode, I've liked the whole of the fugitives arc. I am interested in how all this will get sorted out, I mean it's not like just killing that Danko guy would fix it all.