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Old March 31 2009, 03:32 AM   #16
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Re: Heroes 3x21 "Into Asylum" Discuss and Grade

That was actually decent, or was that my imagination? Didn't buy into Claire "imagining about her 'real' dad all those years." She didn't know she was adopted until she was 13 and Noah is your real dad, you little brat. They were well acted scenes, but this desire to bond sure came out of nowhere. I actually bought into Peter and Angela; they were the best scenes of the night and wow, what an improvement in Sylar and the hunters' characters. They didn't seem cardboard for once and--is it my imagination--or was Sylar appealing and kind of sexy in a homicidal way? Quinto's too good for this show, and Zeljko has an upcoming stint on Big Love next season as Nikki's ex-husband.

Drop the dead weight with Claire and there might be hope to salvage this puppy.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:38 AM   #17
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^ aww I thought Claire & Nathan have been cute this season. I just love it when Nate gets to play daddy...I wish theyd bring his sons back.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:39 AM   #18
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Liked it...the trend is good...that's 2 in a row.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:41 AM   #19
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RE: what Dorian said --
Yeah, I thought Claire's desire to bond with Nathan did kind of come out of nowhere, especially considering how pissed she's been with him lately -- but I thought the scenes between the two of them were well-handled, and almost touching in places.

Plus, it's better than listening to Claire whine constantly.
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Old March 31 2009, 03:45 AM   #20
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Well....Nathan's been cute this season. He's got 2 sons to bond with if he needs to bond. Wish he'd remember them. It makes him seem like a neglectful asshole that they're never mentioned.

Clare needs to go away. Preferably last week. Add "can hold 22 shots" to her list of overwhelming and utterly useless abilities. Noah's your real dad, you brat. Claire bugs me. Can you tell?
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Old March 31 2009, 03:54 AM   #21
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Clare needs to go away. Preferably last week. Add "can hold 22 shots" to her list of overwhelming and utterly useless abilities. Noah's your real dad, you brat. Claire bugs me. Can you tell?
I never would have guessed. I doubt you'll get your wish anytime soon, however, especially since she's the only pretty girl they've got on the show now.

Yeah, I've also wondered what's up with Nathan's other kids, his sons (I've also wondered if they have any powers themselves). I guess Nathan's still separated (divorced?) from his wife. I do hope they bring her and their kids back some day.
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Old March 31 2009, 04:00 AM   #22
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I thought this was another redeeming episode which took pains to establish each character's motivation and give them nice little moments. I particularly liked the pairing of Danko and Sylar... we see the seduction of Danko to something he was anathema to earlier, and we get a great glimpse at Sylar's intelligence and deductive reasoning.

Hell, even Claire and Nathan were given a good turn, shockingly. Nathan realizes the err of his ways and wants to redeem himself... not only with the super-hunting but also with keeping his fatherhood of Claire a secret. And Claire gets to have a bonding moment with evil daddy minus the rebellion and histrionics. And her not being able to get drunk was a laugh.

And Peter even gets a nice moment where he has a chat with God about him not holding up the deal. It was a moment that actually managed to surpass Barlett cursing out God in Latin in West Wing... kidding! And Angela gets a nice moment talking about the difference between helping and actually caring about it, and more of her backstory. I wonder which apocalypse in particular she first saw as a young woman?
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Old March 31 2009, 04:05 AM   #23
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melancholymecha wrote: View Post
its the first time Danko was a real character & not a cypher.

so do you all think HRG will buy that really being Sylar in the bag?
HRG guy is gonna do a DNA Test, and have the good on him, you just watch.


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When Sylar becomes a woman, is she anatomically correct and fully functional?
He did mention it is cathartic, moving from an outie to an innie and back would certainly be kinda interesting.....
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Old March 31 2009, 04:32 AM   #24
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"Too little, too late".

That is what I was thinking as I watched this episode. It was certainly a step up from the bulk of this volume but I kept asking myself if that was enough. And I just don't think it is.

The show isn't compelling like it needs to be to get me to re-invest in it. I think they are trying to some degree but what can you do at this stage when the writers are trying to correct an "arc" already in progress where they essentially want to get across to the viewers "that the six episodes before episode 20 were pointless so forget about it and let us start over in midstream and stitch together something semi-interesting".

How else do you reconcile the kindler gentler remorseful Nathan? I just can't make the leap that he started all this and wasn't just targeting those who might misuse them but everyone including friends like Matt and his own brother and now he sees the error of his ways.

Also you can tell they are trying to make some effort with the characters but really when you are having to reintroduce them all over again and the character scenes aren't that interesting I don't think there is much you can do. I mean Claire and Nathan bonding in Mexico--meh. Claire might forgive him for what he was involved with but I'm not his kid and I can't. Some of the Angela/Peter scenes were just okay.

I did like the idea of Sylar working for Danko which plays off of events depicted in 5YG where Sylar killed those with abilities being rounded up by the government. But I thought Sylar had Candace's ability so no real need to be a shapeshifter. I guess the writers must have forgetten about that.

Who knows these last few episodes might make me change my mind but it would take some really impressive work to do that. Otherwise I think NBC should just end Heroes now.

I'll give it an Above Average although it resides somewhere between average and above average but really with so much other more interesting programming out there I just don't know if I'm interested in committing an extra hour for a show I'm not all that riveted by.
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Old March 31 2009, 04:39 AM   #25
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How did Sylar get in and out of the car (telepathy, teleportation, superspeed???)?


Strategically, it probably makes sense for Sylar to avoid using his original body type, but he's too vain to do so (plus, the fans want to see Quinto's face)...
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Old March 31 2009, 04:43 AM   #26
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Yeah, they needed to get it together before now. Too little, too late with an ever exciting 24 and Dancing With the Stars to compete with. Nathan's turnaround is awfully quick (though his descent into villainy by turning on the others was equally as quick and unearned), but Fuller's trying to do damage control the best he can. Above average--for Heroes--is my rating.
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Old March 31 2009, 04:44 AM   #27
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startrekwatcher wrote: View Post
"Too little, too late".

I just don't know if I'm interested in committing an extra hour for a show I'm not all that riveted by.
I don't even really watch all the much TV, particularly TV shows, but I'm agreeing with most of your post.


I was done with this show. Off the dvr. I had no plans to watch it again. Then I have a friend that watches tell me I need to watch last week's episode.

So I do, and it was better, but I just didn't really enjoy it. Decided I'd check it out tonight since I was home and bored... but I really didn't enjoy any of this episode except Sylar.


At least the shapeshifter did something cool with his powers, like get laid with hot women. Because I can't understand why these characters are so lame and boring. If anyone had Parkman's abilities... I'd think he/she would already be a multimillionaire, at the least.


So, I think I'm really giving up this time. I hope all the heroes get rounded up and Sylar kills them all. Then we can have a spinoff show called Sylar. And some new breed of heroes can emerge to challenge him. New heroes that would actually be interesting.
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Old March 31 2009, 05:38 AM   #28
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Below average. Boring stuff.

I think I could come up with a better shapeshifting plan than to morph into Denko as far as ploys to pick up chicks go.
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Old March 31 2009, 05:38 AM   #29
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Then I have a friend that watches tell me I need to watch last week's episode.

So I do, and it was better, but I just didn't really enjoy it.
Last week's episode is probably the best one this season but it wasn't particularly outstanding. An episode like that on a solid program would have been just a good solid episode but it only shone here because of all the middling fare that came before.

Fuller might just be interested in wrapping up this season and getting it over with and save all of his creative energy for a fourth season much like Coto did on Enterprise. Although this would be the fourth relaunch for the series where the viewers were promised the show is going to be good again. First you had season three, then the Fugitives volume, then Fuller's return with episode twenty and now next season. I don't know how many times you can keep promising that and never coming close to delivering.
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Old March 31 2009, 06:41 AM   #30
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Below average. Boring stuff.

I think I could come up with a better shapeshifting plan than to morph into Denko as far as ploys to pick up chicks go.
I think just about anyone would be better to shapeshift into other than Denko who looks like hes got cancer....
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