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Old March 30 2009, 07:42 PM   #31
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^^ The circular nature of time travel is the only thing that actually does make sense. Everything has happened before and it will happen again.
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Old March 30 2009, 07:45 PM   #32
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The fleet used the same jump coordinates as Galactica, given to them by the recon raptor. It would have sent them through the same fold in space-time. In all their travels, the Colonials found only two planets marginally capable of supporting life
So how'd the recon Raptor travel forward in time thousands of years to find the fleet?

Plus Word of God from the producers says that the jump coordinates Kara entered were a direction, altitude and distance from the black hole. They'd only get the fleet to Earth using those coordinates if that's where they were when they jumped.

Oh, and Head!Six and Head!Baltar at the end pretty much confirmed there were two Earths. So...
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Old March 30 2009, 08:21 PM   #33
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Oh, and Head!Six and Head!Baltar at the end pretty much confirmed there were two Earths. So...
Details, details... What do they know?
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Old April 1 2009, 08:29 AM   #34
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What if the reason they could only get to the new (good) earth from near the black hole was that somehow they jumped thru the black hole and either traveled back in time or to a parralell universe where Earth was not nuked?
Huh?
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Old April 1 2009, 01:49 PM   #35
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The fact that they were able to send a raptor to the rendezvous point and the Fleet could follow it back to Earth 2 pretty much rules out any exotic theories about time travel or black holes. It's entirely possible that, given more time, they would've eventually located Earth 2 on their planet-hunting expeditions. It's an open question about whether the Fleet would've lasted that long, though.
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Old April 1 2009, 03:58 PM   #36
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The fact that they were able to send a raptor to the rendezvous point and the Fleet could follow it back to Earth 2 pretty much rules out any exotic theories about time travel or black holes. It's entirely possible that, given more time, they would've eventually located Earth 2 on their planet-hunting expeditions. It's an open question about whether the Fleet would've lasted that long, though.
And this is the essential element I believe to why the sequence of events, including Kara's role in them, needed to unfold as they did. Food shortages, a mutiny, having to abandon Galactica, being pursued by Cavil. For all these reasons, what Kara did needed to happen exactly (more or less) when it happened in exactly the way it happened (at the destruction of the Cylon colony). Yes, there are some missing answers concerning what she was, but there can be little doubt that she did have a destiny.

I think part of answering the OP's question hinges on whether you as a viewer have interpreted the events of the finale to suggest the presence of a real, dualistic, supernatural God, or that "he doesn't like that name" is actually some kind of technological entity (from something as simple as Ardra [TNG - "Devil's Due"], to something more akin to the Ancients from Stargate SG1). If you believe that Kara is part of a supernatural God's plan, then no logical explanation needs to be provided.

Otherwise the floor is open to virtually endless speculation, which is probably how Moore chose to leave it.
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Old April 2 2009, 08:42 PM   #37
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I thought it was kinda stupid semantic quibbling, really. Adama et al dubbed "our" Earth as "Earth" because that was a name for a planet they knew about. But after 150,000 years, why would that name survive in the language so that we would inadvertently give our own planet an alien name? And even in the unlikely event that it did - so what? It's all too silly.

Not to mention the fact that it's only the name of our planet in English, so it isn't even all that significant. They should have just left the first Earth as THE Earth and not found another Earth or even an Earthlike planet in the end.

agreed. does anyone further agree?
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Old April 2 2009, 09:16 PM   #38
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I always thought it was silly because our planet doesn't even really have a name. We call it Earth simply because that's what it is -- earth. It's not fire, wind or water; it's earth. And I've always found that embarrassing. It makes us sound little better than simple-minded primates.

The closest we have to a real name for it is Gaia/Terra, and that comes from a goddess. Which fits in with the planetary themes. But we can't even really use that because Gaia is already used for something else in the solar system (a crater) and terra/terrae are used as a term for land masses on other bodies.

And while I really liked the ideas behind the finale for BSG (and for me, it is BSG; it deserves the title more than the old series does), the assumptions the writers would have us make -- that they really spoke English, that those were really their names, and that all of their technology and culture were so similiar to current life -- is absurd. It would have been better if they never said anything about it and we were left to assume that is was artistic license or something.
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Old April 2 2009, 09:45 PM   #39
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Well, if you prefer, you can always assume that the show has been redubbed for english-speaking terran audiences from the original Kobollian dialogue and writing, and they decided to translate the name of the thirteenth colony as "Earth" since they gave the same name to the planet on which they landed, and the terran english-speakers call that second planet "Earth."
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Old April 2 2009, 10:05 PM   #40
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I always thought it was silly because our planet doesn't even really have a name. We call it Earth simply because that's what it is -- earth. It's not fire, wind or water; it's earth. And I've always found that embarrassing. It makes us sound little better than simple-minded primates.
I'm just going to quote Arthur C. Clarke.

"How inappropriate to call this planet earth when it is quite clearly Ocean."
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Old April 3 2009, 12:52 AM   #41
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I always thought it was silly because our planet doesn't even really have a name. We call it Earth simply because that's what it is -- earth. It's not fire, wind or water; it's earth. And I've always found that embarrassing. It makes us sound little better than simple-minded primates.
I'm just going to quote Arthur C. Clarke.

"How inappropriate to call this planet earth when it is quite clearly Ocean."
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Astronaut speaking to alien for the first time - "We come in peace from a planet called Earth"

Alien double checks his translation device - " You come from a planet called "Dirt" ????"
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Old April 8 2009, 09:30 PM   #42
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The only reason there were two Earths at all in season 4 was because there was a writer's strike and "Revelations" and "Sometimes a Great Notion" was supposed to be able to stand as a series finale in case the writer's strike didn't end in time.

There are no mysterious in-story reasons. Reality happened and they had to re-think 4.5 when the writer's strike ended.

Saying it was "God", though makes perfect sense, since Ronald D. Moore is God from an in-universe perspective.

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Old April 8 2009, 09:35 PM   #43
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What's your source for that? The pre-strike 4.5 outline still had them finding a second Earth, according to everything Moore has said.
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Old April 8 2009, 10:23 PM   #44
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I have no doubt about them planning on finding the Earth we saw in "Daybreak." I'm not so sure about the "Revelations" Earth.
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Old April 8 2009, 10:48 PM   #45
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For what reason? All the way back to the end of season 3, back when they were deciding if the show was going to go four or five seasons, RDM said he had two more chapters in mind for the show. It was obvious to me at the time that the last one was going to be the post-Earth chapter, and all his discussion since then about the ruined Earth made it clear that his plan had been to give the characters one last kick in the balls, to make a show that was always about the preservation of hope actually as bleak and depressive as all the critics claimed, and then still have hope win out in the end.
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