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View Poll Results: Grade "To the Lighthouse"
"I'll be back" - Excellent 21 39.62%
"Come with me if you want to live." - Above Average 17 32.08%
"Thank you for explaining." - Average 13 24.53%
"If we stay the course we are dead, we are all dead!" - Below Average 2 3.77%
"You are TERMINATED!" - Poor 0 0%
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Old March 28 2009, 12:36 PM   #91
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Re: Terminator 2-20 "To the Lighthouse" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>

I liked the episode, but a lot of it was heavy handed.

The aforementioned "change the rules" bit and the whole thing with the dude saying "daemon" over and over again.
It's like a non-computer using writer saw that term and decided to use it as much as he could in that one scene.
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Old March 28 2009, 04:21 PM   #92
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Re: Terminator 2-20 "To the Lighthouse" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>

Frakkin' Skynet took out my Internet connection last night, about ten minutes from the end, so I wasn't able to continue posting here.



Anyway, I gave it an 'Excellent' vote, as this was far better than the last few eps and I too, am intrigued by the notion that Skynet already exists and is operating behind the scenes, kinda like a Cylon 'God' or something (for a moment, it looked as if John Henry was getting religion when he was re-booted).



Good stuff. I'll be back.


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Old March 28 2009, 04:34 PM   #93
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Re: Terminator 2-20 "To the Lighthouse" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>

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I think a really big clue as to what's going on was missed by some people. Everything that happened to John Henry happened moments after he said yes, you can change the rules.

It's too much of a coincidence to dismiss.
Um I mentioned that.

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I was just thinking of something. What if John Henry has a mulitple personality disorder - namely Cromartie?

Just a possibility, I still like the idea of Skynet better.
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Old March 28 2009, 04:37 PM   #94
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the clinic visit activated the attacks, and Cromartie cannot exist within John Henry because JH does not have Cromartie's chip in him, hence the cable in the back of JH's head.
Actually we know - from this episode - that there are three chips. If you look closely when the inept guard is looking at the PDA the three locations of the chips are briefly filled in with solid circles.

We also know now, however, that Cameron is a Triple 8.
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Old March 28 2009, 04:49 PM   #95
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We also know now, however, that Cameron is a Triple 8.
Based on what?
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Old March 28 2009, 05:04 PM   #96
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Jack Bauer's saved America for seven seasons, but can he save the world from Judgment Day?

"Tell me where Skynet is now, MacBook! I don't want to download malware into you but I will if I have to!"


Followed by:

"Drop the flash-drive! Drop it NOW!!"


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Old March 28 2009, 05:37 PM   #97
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We also know now, however, that Cameron is a Triple 8.
Based on what?
The images of the endoskull. It was a match for the T-888.
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Old March 28 2009, 06:35 PM   #98
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actually, no, while Cameron's skull may retain alot of the trip8's design (not much can really be done to the cosmetic design of a human skull and keep it viable as an infiltration design) the short reboot time, plus her chasis built to mimic a female (unless we see a female terminator clearly referred to as a trip8, the model number is for male terminators only) prove that she is not a trip 8
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We also know now, however, that Cameron is a Triple 8.
Based on what?
The images of the endoskull. It was a match for the T-888.
Looked to me like the images of the endoskull were actually data taken from John Henry's "brother" on his own body. That doesn't mean that Cameron is a 888, just that John Henry only has data on a 888. After all, how could he have any data on Cameron or any other terminator model? He's just an AI with access to a single terminator body and not any actual knowledge of the future beyond what's in front of him.
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Old March 28 2009, 06:46 PM   #100
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actually, no, while Cameron's skull may retain alot of the trip8's design (not much can really be done to the cosmetic design of a human skull and keep it viable as an infiltration design) the short reboot time, plus her chasis built to mimic a female (unless we see a female terminator clearly referred to as a trip8, the model number is for male terminators only) prove that she is not a trip 8
That model number is not for male Terminators only. Rosie was a T-888 according to the producers. Rosie also had the same chip design as Cameron.

Also, post T-800 design type, the skulls didn't have chip access in that location.
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Old March 28 2009, 06:48 PM   #101
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Rosie?
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Based on what?
The images of the endoskull. It was a match for the T-888.
Looked to me like the images of the endoskull were actually data taken from John Henry's "brother" on his own body. That doesn't mean that Cameron is a 888, just that John Henry only has data on a 888. After all, how could he have any data on Cameron or any other terminator model? He's just an AI with access to a single terminator body and not any actual knowledge of the future beyond what's in front of him.
Possible, but we know she's at least below the 900 Series. The 900 series was designed for combat against other machines according to information from canon sources.
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Rosie?
Terminator Cameron fought in season two in the elevator. Her chip self destructed.
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Old March 28 2009, 06:51 PM   #104
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Re: Terminator 2-20 "To the Lighthouse" - Discuss/Grade <SPO>

Looked to me like the images of the endoskull were actually data taken from John Henry's "brother" on his own body. That doesn't mean that Cameron is a 888, just that John Henry only has data on a 888. After all, how could he have any data on Cameron or any other terminator model? He's just an AI with access to a single terminator body and not any actual knowledge of the future beyond what's in front of him.
Yeah, that's what I got from it. Also interesting is that the conversation the henchman was having over the phone seemed to be with John Henry's "brother" itself, and not a middleman.

EDIT: Man, this thread is going fast atm.
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ok, missed that one, I think, and if SKYnet can manifest itself with a voice synthesizer as well as hire Peons, we have a problem
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