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Old March 27 2009, 10:40 PM   #61
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Old March 27 2009, 10:43 PM   #62
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They recruited people from outside the United States...Plus again, international terrorists.
Your point?

It was still a completely American organization, reinforced by the subtitle!


Just to drive the point home.
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Old March 28 2009, 12:59 AM   #63
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Action Force

The actual chain of command of G.I. Joe and it's identical international counterpart has always been a bit fuzzy. They don't appear to be a part of any particular service and generally have a high degree of autonomy.
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Old March 28 2009, 01:26 AM   #64
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They recruited people from outside the United States...Plus again, international terrorists.
So frakking what?

GOD, I wish it was the 80s and early 90s again when studios weren't so cravenly PC that they could make movies about AMERICAN military heroes!
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Old March 28 2009, 01:57 AM   #65
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Action Force

The actual chain of command of G.I. Joe and it's identical international counterpart has always been a bit fuzzy. They don't appear to be a part of any particular service and generally have a high degree of autonomy.
I know in some of the realtively newer comics the Joe reported straight to the president, they were merely a special-op branch in the regular US military.

The Joes were always supposed to be America's elite and best. As for autonomy, it was the 1980s Regan era military: Fuck you, we're the US military, we'll go were we want and you can't stop us. Their jurisdiction was basically anywhere there was Cobra.
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Old March 28 2009, 08:36 AM   #66
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They had Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Soldiers, and Ninjas together in one unit. This isn't usual, particularly the Ninjas. Their Chain of command appears to start with General Hawk and then goes directly to Duke, who isn't even an officer but who commands people who are. They had their own aircraft carrier.

The action figures themselves present a surprisingly consistent military structure, but the series has enlisted personnel flying aircraft and giving orders to officers, among other things.
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Old March 28 2009, 08:36 AM   #67
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accidental double post.

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Old March 28 2009, 09:27 AM   #68
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GOD, I wish it was the 80s and early 90s again when studios weren't so cravenly PC that they could make movies about AMERICAN military heroes!
Bull fucking shit. They changed multiple movies as I mentioned because they were afraid to piss off the Americans. Where were you when they changed Master and Commander? Where were you when they changed U-571? Or Enemy at the Gate?
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Old March 28 2009, 09:32 AM   #69
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They had Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Soldiers, and Ninjas together in one unit. This isn't usual, particularly the Ninjas. Their Chain of command appears to start with General Hawk and then goes directly to Duke, who isn't even an officer but who commands people who are. They had their own aircraft carrier.

The action figures themselves present a surprisingly consistent military structure, but the series has enlisted personnel flying aircraft and giving orders to officers, among other things.
So what? Doesn't justify their cockamame excuse for redesigning a character that doens't NEED redesigning.
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Old March 28 2009, 09:38 AM   #70
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GOD, I wish it was the 80s and early 90s again when studios weren't so cravenly PC that they could make movies about AMERICAN military heroes!
Bull fucking shit. They changed multiple movies as I mentioned because they were afraid to piss off the Americans. Where were you when they changed Master and Commander? Where were you when they changed U-571? Or Enemy at the Gate?
Haven't seen any of those, so I can't comment on them.

Not that they're relevant to THIS film and the anti-US and anti-military Hollywood that is producing it. The same Hollywood that has given us almost a DECADE of "US soldiers are evil/bad/theives/liars/traitors, et al" The same Hollywood that cravenly changed the bad guys in "Sum of All Fears" from Arab Jihadis to European Neo-Nazis. The same Hollywood that "encouraged" the most recent Rambo film to focus on some obscure conflict no one has really heard of outside the international press instead of the War on Terror that it SHOULD have.

(Grant you the situation in the film IS a tragedy and made a pretty good film, but ducking the WoT was PCwood once again not standing up and doing it's duty to support the nation in wartime.)
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Old March 28 2009, 09:54 AM   #71
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How about the Patriot? Saving Private Ryan? The Thin Red Line? Pearl Harbor? U-571? All of those came out pretty much together.

They are RELEVANT because you guys claim they are being anti-PC but in fact are taking a logical step in how to work with GI Joe. Even in the comic books they talk about this and how they had to get approval from each country and such but have to work hand in hand with some of the locals. They have also had a few people especially the Guards they worked closely with and even had one join the team.

For the most part it is a logical step because of the International Status the team has. It was illogical for them to be American and stepping in everyone's back yard without approval or without someone on that team from that nation.
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Old March 28 2009, 10:25 AM   #72
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The part you're ignoring is that G.I. Joe is a term referring completely and without question to American soldiers. There is no question about it. It's practically synonymous with it!!!

It is not a logical step to make it a term for soldiers in general. It's insulting to American soldiers and it's insulting to every single other country the world round. Do you think Iraqis are going to rush into the theatre to watch G.I. Joe? Do you think they're going to be proud that their soldiers are being subsumed wholly by a synonym for American?

And worse, how on earth do you think them being an international team gives them permission to just waltz into any country on a whim anymore than it does as them being an American team?

I think the most insulting thing about your argument is that you can't wrap your head around the idea of something being American and having non-Americans working with and for it. Even your last post above this one shows that. Oh, they have to work with locals and even had one join them, clearly that makes them an international organization! That's just silly.

What's next, an organization like the CIA shouldn't be an American agency because they have agents and assets in and from other countries? That's exactly what you're saying should happen. That it's a "logical step" for how they work. That any time anyone or any group works with or hires someone who's not an American, bam, it's an international organization.

It's absurd.
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Old March 28 2009, 10:29 AM   #73
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this is a really really dumb question.. but what does G.I. actually stand for anyway?
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Old March 28 2009, 11:03 AM   #74
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this is a really really dumb question.. but what does G.I. actually stand for anyway?
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Old March 28 2009, 12:49 PM   #75
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this is a really really dumb question.. but what does G.I. actually stand for anyway?
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Actually, it's "Government Issue".

It's an example of "soldiers' humor", started in WW II. Since everything in their lives was government issued (clothes, housing, food, toiletries), and soldiers everywhere tended to think, somewhat cynically, that they were viewed as interchangeable and easily replaceable, just like all their posessions they started to refer to themselves as "Government Issue Joe, (1 each)".
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