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Old March 27 2009, 09:27 PM   #16
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Re: Your pick for most egregious SYNDICATION CUT for a Trek Series.

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Whoa! I never noticed that! That's a really nice touch - and proves Martok reads his tactical reports.
Yeah, I thought it was really cool, especially the way Martok proclaimed that it must be an illusion created using the exact same methods that O'Brien used back in Emissary, when it was an illusion. Then, a few minutes later, when the Klingon fleet attacks, we find out that, as Sisko put it, "It's no illusion." The whole thing provided a nice sense of closure, and seeing DS9's new defensive systems in action was one of the greatest "Oh HOLY &$#%!!" moments in all of Trek.
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My pick is from Emissary: they cut out all the stuff of O'Brien taking one last look around the Enterprise-D (one scene on the bridge and one in the transporter room) for time. It's one of my favorite character moments of that episode and it's upsetting that they cut it.
I forgot about that! So "Emissary" actually has TWO rather unfortunate cuts. Man, what were they thinking!
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Old March 30 2009, 04:09 AM   #17
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In TOS' "The Deadly Years," which I watched about 5 years ago when Sci-Fi re-ran the series (first time I'd seen the episode in years), they cut out the scene where the incompetent Commodore orders the Enterprise to cut across a section of Romulan space to get to their destination faster. (Thereby giving newly-restored Young-Kirk the chance to storm back onto the bridge and save the day with his Corbomite bluff.)

Not remembering the reason for the foray into Romulan space, I was confused for a while. I think it was TrekBBS that I came to for an answer to my confusion ... !!!
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Old March 31 2009, 08:12 PM   #18
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Re: Your pick for most egregious SYNDICATION CUT for a Trek Series.

I can't recall any syndication cuts that have adversely effected the story...the cuts should be minor and not noticed....WELL...this was the first and last time I noticed a syndication cut. TVLand when they first started airing Trek are just greedy greedy people...and me and a few other posters even timed how many commercials they had each night and slowly but surely the time was getting longer and longer...the last half hour was pretty much just commercials ugh. Anyway, they completely cut out Miramanee's whole pregnancy thing in the Paradise Syndrome......what the hell is the story with that?? Cutting out a whole subplot seems bizarre...reaction shots etc...OK but a sub plot that any Trek fan would clearly remember is just a flagrant omission!
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Old April 1 2009, 11:20 PM   #19
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Re: Your pick for most egregious SYNDICATION CUT for a Trek Series.

Seems the tendency is to cut quiet, character development moments, while leaving in boring, repetitive fight scenes.
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Old April 2 2009, 01:20 AM   #20
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It's not a syndication cut, but on British TV stations they cut O'Brien shouting "Bollocks!" in Time's Orphan. Very upsetting.
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Old April 2 2009, 04:20 AM   #21
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Any cuts in City on the Edge of Forever?
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Old April 2 2009, 11:35 PM   #22
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Indeed. Those are the unkindest cuts of all.
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Old April 3 2009, 12:20 AM   #23
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Indeed. Those are the unkindest cuts of all.
THE CHANGELING, on San Jose's Channel 11 in 1973 or 74. They cut the entire teaser and credits and just opened with the first act. I remember because it was a day when I was going to audio tape some of the show (glad those days are behind us oldsters!), and that got me seriously p.o'd.

Other than that, a cut that wasn't really syndication-related, just a screwup, would be DS9, the first ep of season 2. Somehow channel 44 in SF skipped an entire ACT of the show (first or second) ... I thought there was something weird with the way the story played out, and when the credits ran at about 8:49 that night, it was confirmed for me.
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Old April 3 2009, 11:06 AM   #24
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Re: Your pick for most egregious SYNDICATION CUT for a Trek Series.

I remember that the BBC once refused to show the episode where data or picrad mentions that Northern Ireland becomes part of the full island of Ireland.

Thankfully that episode is in my DVD collection.
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Old April 3 2009, 03:45 PM   #25
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Re: Your pick for most egregious SYNDICATION CUT for a Trek Series.

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I remember that the BBC once refused to show the episode where data or picrad mentions that Northern Ireland becomes part of the full island of Ireland.

Thankfully that episode is in my DVD collection.
There is something seriously wrong with that....very disturbing...I know they didn't show patterns of force in europe for many years but really!

When did this refusal to air this episode occur...if it wasn't recent would it occur today?
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Old April 3 2009, 04:17 PM   #26
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I remember that the BBC once refused to show the episode where data or picrad mentions that Northern Ireland becomes part of the full island of Ireland.
There is something seriously wrong with that....very disturbing...I know they didn't show patterns of force in europe for many years but really!

When did this refusal to air this episode occur...if it wasn't recent would it occur today?
It was in the early 90s back when the IRA were bombing the UK and the episode suggested that Ireland would be unified through these terrorist actions in the 2030s. I can understand why they might cut out that line since it was of little significance to the plot, but instead they decided not to show the whole episode because it showed terrorists in a somewhat sympathetic way. I know that Sky One in the UK has shown the episode many times without the line being cut, but I don't know if the BBC ever did.
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Old April 3 2009, 05:28 PM   #27
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I remember that the BBC once refused to show the episode where data or picrad mentions that Northern Ireland becomes part of the full island of Ireland.
There is something seriously wrong with that....very disturbing...I know they didn't show patterns of force in europe for many years but really!

When did this refusal to air this episode occur...if it wasn't recent would it occur today?
It was in the early 90s back when the IRA were bombing the UK and the episode suggested that Ireland would be unified through these terrorist actions in the 2030s. I can understand why they might cut out that line since it was of little significance to the plot, but instead they decided not to show the whole episode because it showed terrorists in a somewhat sympathetic way. I know that Sky One in the UK has shown the episode many times without the line being cut, but I don't know if the BBC ever did.
Do you think the BBC would air it in it's entirety if it was broadcast today?
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Old April 3 2009, 09:42 PM   #28
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Do you think the BBC would air it in it's entirety if it was broadcast today?
Violence involving republican terrorists in Northern Ireland is down despite the recent shootings, and it was already shown on other UK stations, so I can't think why they wouldn't.
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Old April 8 2009, 04:45 AM   #29
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I noticed this cut last night when watching 'The Killing Game.' They cut the discussion between Tuvok and Janeway's characters after Seven's nueral supressant (or whatever) was deactivated. The talk highlights their suspicion of the character that Seven is playing, and gives some set up for 'Katrine's' distrust of her when they reach the Nazi HQ building. It's a badly timed cut, since it gives context to Katrine pulling the gun. And they could have cut pieces of establishing panoramas around Saint Claire and some of the stuff with the psychopathic second and the Nazi who 'fathered' B'Elanna's holo-pregnancy instead, stuff that ISN'T important. I'm not even asking them to cut out Seven singing (cuz I liked that part, gratuitious as it was)!
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Old April 8 2009, 12:36 PM   #30
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There is something seriously wrong with that....very disturbing...I know they didn't show patterns of force in europe for many years but really!

When did this refusal to air this episode occur...if it wasn't recent would it occur today?
It was in the early 90s back when the IRA were bombing the UK and the episode suggested that Ireland would be unified through these terrorist actions in the 2030s. I can understand why they might cut out that line since it was of little significance to the plot, but instead they decided not to show the whole episode because it showed terrorists in a somewhat sympathetic way. I know that Sky One in the UK has shown the episode many times without the line being cut, but I don't know if the BBC ever did.
Do you think the BBC would air it in it's entirety if it was broadcast today?
"The High Ground" UK History lesson:

The BBC banned it in their 1992, 1997, 2002 screenings of season three.
Sky DID show the episode BUT IT WAS CUT to omit the Ireland line, contrary to what an earlier OP stated.
CIC Video released it in its entirety in 1992.
The Beeb finally showed the episode, uncut, in 2008, a mere sixteen years after season 3 received its first UK broadcast!!
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