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Old March 24 2009, 10:31 AM   #16
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

Perhaps the one lasting effect of the timeline changes that occurred in Yesterday's Enterprise was that O'Brien never went to the Academy...
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Old March 24 2009, 01:14 PM   #17
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

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Besides, pip malfunctions were pretty common among the 21 collective seasons. If memory serves there was even a few scenes/shots where Data was a full commander.
Let's not forget Picard's brief 'demotion' to commander from "Cost Of Living".
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Old March 24 2009, 01:42 PM   #18
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

I've always suspected that O'Brien got a field commission or "brevet" for his service in the Cardassian War, but reverted to his permanent rank on DS 9. Carrying a senior NCO rank carries plenty of prestige and power in the military and for someone like O'Brien who enjoyed getting his hands dirty more than worrying about his next ticket punch on the way up the officer's ladder, the title of "Chief Petty Officer" would probably be a lot more satisfying than "Lieutenant" or *shudder* "Ensign".
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Old March 24 2009, 08:16 PM   #19
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

O'Brien identified himself as an NCO to the Rozhenkos, so if he was moonlighting as an officer he had given it up by Family.
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Old March 24 2009, 08:38 PM   #20
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

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Perhaps the one lasting effect of the timeline changes that occurred in Yesterday's Enterprise was that O'Brien never went to the Academy...
I'll go with that. Some time stream alteration changed O'Brien's past. That's more plausible than a well-established organization like Starfleet having inconsistent rank markings. I'm not being sarcastic, as far as Star Trek goes that is the more plausible reason.

Q might have had something to do with it, as well. Remember his DS9 remark to O'Brien?

"Weren't you one of the little people?"

Q altered time to stick it to O'Brien. In fact, he had such little use for O'Brien that he didn't put him on mock trial in Encounter at Farpoint.
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Old March 24 2009, 11:00 PM   #21
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

Given that Starfleet apparently didn't have any real enlisted insignia until late well into DS9's run, those two pips O'Brien wore could have meant anything, including "Transporter Chief First Class", IMO...
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Old March 24 2009, 11:20 PM   #22
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

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O'Brien identified himself as an NCO to the Rozhenkos, so if he was moonlighting as an officer he had given it up by Family.
Indeed, Mr Rozhenko even recognizes O'Brien as a Chief Petty Officer, despite the Lt. pips on his collar.
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Old March 25 2009, 04:54 AM   #23
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Re: When did O'Brien lose his commission?

Before he married Keiko, Miles could never find his clean uniforms. So, he simply threw on any one he could find as long as it was the same color. The rank pips actually belonged to whoever he borrowed the uniform from.
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Old March 25 2009, 08:57 AM   #24
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Indeed, Mr Rozhenko even recognizes O'Brien as a Chief Petty Officer, despite the Lt. pips on his collar.
"Correction: By the pips on his collar."
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