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Old March 22 2009, 06:33 AM   #1
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AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

Maybe this answer is in the technical manual.

What is the protocol to initiate auto-destruct?

What is the protocol in abort?

I ask because I noticed in First Contact, after everyone abandoned ship and Picard stayed behind to help Data, Who aborted the auto-destruct sequence? Do you need three officers (maybe even the same officers) to cancel auto-destruct?
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Old March 22 2009, 06:43 AM   #2
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

Depends.

In Star Trek it took Kirk plus his First and Second Officers to initiate it. But it only took Kirk alone to cancel it (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield).

In The Next Generation it took the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer to both initiate and cancel the destruct sequence (11001001).

As for the original cast movies the auto-destruct stayed the same (The Search for Spock).

Later on... who knows.
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Old March 22 2009, 06:45 AM   #3
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The auto-destruct sequence works however the author of this week's episode wants it to work. There isn't really any continuity most of the time.
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Old March 22 2009, 07:00 AM   #4
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

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Depends.

In Star Trek it took Kirk plus his First and Second Officers to initiate it. But it only took Kirk alone to cancel it (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield).

In The Next Generation it took the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer to both initiate and cancel the destruct sequence (11001001).

As for the original cast movies the auto-destruct stayed the same (The Search for Spock).

Later on... who knows.
You are right about that because I believe on Voyager and Enterprise the same officers had to use their command codes to abort the auto-destruct. I'm going to pull my DVDs out use an episode guide and review those protocols. It would make sense to not have to go through all that again to save a starfleet vessel.
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Old March 22 2009, 07:06 AM   #5
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

I wonder if the TrekBBS has a destruct code, something like code zero zero zero. Destruct. Zer-
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Old March 22 2009, 07:29 AM   #6
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

OK I looked at the Memory Alpha site and it is not clear about the abort instructions aboard a Sovereign-class starfleet vessel. On a Defiant-class vessel from the bridge, you need two officers' hand prints to activate and abort. Its solely up to the captain on the Intrepid-class but yet aboard the Sovereign-class it was a "three-officer" activation. so I guess in theory it may take three to start and one captain to abort. I'm also going to go with the theory that the First Contact writers skipped that detail or it was edited out the film. Like NCC-1701 said, "How the author... wants it to work."
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Old March 22 2009, 07:56 AM   #7
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

There's no reason to believe the authorization protocols are specific to any class. They could be set by the individual vessel's CO, a fleet commander, or the Starfleet admiralty. Starfleet might change the policy every few years just to annoy and endanger their personnel, like they keep redesigning their uniforms and changing the rules regarding transporting through shields, phasers at warp, and "faster than light, no left or right."
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Old March 22 2009, 07:58 AM   #8
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OK I looked at the Memory Alpha site and it is not clear about the abort instructions aboard a Sovereign-class starfleet vessel. On a Defiant-class vessel from the bridge, you need two officers' hand prints to activate and abort. Its solely up to the captain on the Intrepid-class but yet aboard the Sovereign-class it was a "three-officer" activation. so I guess in theory it may take three to start and one captain to abort. I'm also going to go with the theory that the First Contact writers skipped that detail or it was edited out the film. Like NCC-1701 said, "How the author... wants it to work."
Data wasn't the captain of the Enterprise-E and he was able to cancel the auto-destruct. In Modern Trek the is no clear cut way this is handled. In Star Trek we've only seen the auto-destruct used twice and it worked the same way both times (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield/The Search for Spock).
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Old March 22 2009, 08:52 AM   #9
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Re: AUTO-DESTRUCT Protocol Question

Are you sure?

Memory Alpha seems to be implying that it was used or attempted several times.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Auto-destruct
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Old March 22 2009, 02:03 PM   #10
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Are you sure?

Memory Alpha seems to be implying that it was used or attempted several times.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Auto-destruct
Forgot about The Motion Picture... good catch.
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Old March 22 2009, 02:10 PM   #11
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Are you sure?

Memory Alpha seems to be implying that it was used or attempted several times.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Auto-destruct
Forgot about The Motion Picture... good catch.
That wasn't a proper "self destruct" sequence. That was Kirk ordering Scotty to blow the main's manually, like he almost did in the episode with the Kelvans.
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Old March 22 2009, 02:57 PM   #12
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Depends really on how the system is modified to respond.
Usually it took about 2 people to do it.
In later Trek shows, the system could have been activated or deactivated by just one individual (and in critical situations, it would appear that having only 1 individual capable of doing so would severely cut back on the time spent on 'proper protocol').

I think it really depends on the premise if the vessel is under different circumstances.
If it's not, then 'proper protocol' is followed ... and in Voyager's case for example ... well, it was a smaller ship under very different circumstances, so having only 1 person able to do it seems reasonable enough.
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Old March 22 2009, 03:08 PM   #13
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NO general agreement about it. Far too many differences from series to series. From memory-alpha one would imagine it is perhaps in part dependent upon the class of ship and/or how one intends to destroy the ship. Different procedures mean different ways to cancel it out.
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Old March 22 2009, 09:16 PM   #14
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Data wasn't the captain of the Enterprise-E and he was able to cancel the auto-destruct.
To be fair, Data's special.
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Old March 23 2009, 12:36 AM   #15
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Data wasn't the captain of the Enterprise-E and he was able to cancel the auto-destruct.
To be fair, Data's special.
Real special considering he is only the second officer.

If I remember correctly, he wasn't even part of the trio that activated the auto-destruct (which was different from the Enterprise-D) in First Contact. Wasn't it Picard, Worf and Crusher? Which I find peculiar because Worf wasn't even a member of the Enterprise-E crew, nor part of the command staff.
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