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Old March 21 2009, 05:27 PM   #1
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RDM interview about the finale here...

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....lmos.html#more

He discusses...almost everything we're discussing.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:36 PM   #2
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Thanks. I already found something awesome:

  • The DVD version of "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" will be about 10 minutes longer.
  • The DVD version of "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" will be about 15-20 minutes longer.
  • The DVD version of "Daybreak," the series finale, will be about 15-20 minutes longer.
Also, puts the "characters, stupid" bit in a good context. Worth reading.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:04 PM   #3
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MR: I know that you don’t let yourself be guided by what you think the fan reaction might be, and you do what you feel is right for the show, but the ending of Kara – her just disappearing like that. That’ll certainly be a starting point for debate.
RDM: Oh yeah, it’ll be controversial. There will be people who will absolutely hate it and think that we failed in our mission. We debated it in the [writers] room, I thought about it a long time, and I had sort of the same answer. And the more I struggled to give definition to it, the less satisfying it became
This feeling is what happens when your brain is trying to tell you something's a bad idea, Ronald.

We never heard and I have yet to hear a concrete definition of Kara Thrace that becomes more satisfying than what we have.
So it's basically "This explanation doesn't stand up to scrutiny. That means it's better than something that would."
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Old March 21 2009, 06:09 PM   #4
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Guess you didn't like the end, huh?

Pity. I enjoyed it immensely.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:14 PM   #5
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I did not, sir. I'm dealing with my sorrow by pretending Revelations is the last episode and I'm free to come up with whatever answers seem most logical.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:26 PM   #6
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RDM: [laughs] There were a fair number of people that were prepared for the most nihilistic [finale ever].
Didn't people notice the episode title?
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Old March 21 2009, 06:26 PM   #7
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"Daybreak" could refer to a nuclear detonation.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:27 PM   #8
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I did not, sir. I'm dealing with my sorrow by pretending Revelations is the last episode and I'm free to come up with whatever answers seem most logical.
I actually liked everything up until this last episode. Actually, I liked everything up until they reached the second earth. It's only the last 20-30 minutes that ruined everything for me.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:30 PM   #9
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I did not, sir. I'm dealing with my sorrow by pretending Revelations is the last episode and I'm free to come up with whatever answers seem most logical.
Well, there's certainly nothing to stop you - other than that instead of going off and coming up with those "logical" answers you're spending time on the BBS telling other people that they're wrong for appreciating the finale.

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"Daybreak" could refer to a nuclear detonation.
Except for the fact that, uh, it never ever does.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:34 PM   #10
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I am very satisfied. Very. That is all.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:53 PM   #11
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I did not, sir. I'm dealing with my sorrow by pretending Revelations is the last episode and I'm free to come up with whatever answers seem most logical.
Well, there's certainly nothing to stop you - other than that instead of going off and coming up with those "logical" answers you're spending time on the BBS telling other people that they're wrong for appreciating the finale.
My misery loves company. But, no, I'm not telling anyone they're wrong, per se. Or at least I'm not trying to (okay, I sort of am...).

Ultimately there'll be an impasse of opinion over any piece of art, because quality is simply not objective. The fun of debate over it, the point of making claims about the "wrong" and "right" of taste, is--I think--to sharpen our own reasons for liking or disliking something. So that we can refine our own tastes, and like or dislike something in entirely new ways.

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"Daybreak" could refer to a nuclear detonation.
Except for the fact that, uh, it never ever does.
I'm sure I've seen "daybreak" or "sunrise" as an ironic metaphor for large-scale nuclear holocaust. I can't cite anything, unfortunately, but one can't deny the similarity between the physical forces involved (nuclear fusion emitting photons) and the sensory phenomena (a distant burning city will light up the horizon just like a sunrise, you don't even need nukes for that, anecdotally the Germans could read their maps from the light of Stalingrad during the bombardment of the city preceding the months of battle to secure it). I'd love to think I came up with it, and thanks for giving me the credit, but I'm positive I didn't.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:57 PM   #12
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That interview helps me understand where they were coming from. I myself instinctively felt that if we actually got concrete explanations, they would be unsatisfying. I began to get this feeling in No Exit when the mysterious grandeur of the final 5 was put into simpler terms. If that happened with the rest of the mythology on the show, it could have been horrible.

In my mind though, I had placed some unreasonable faith in the show runners that they could come up with something that worked... I guess they couldn't... no one could. In retrospect, leaving things open like that was obviously the right way to go. And I'm glad, now, because the imagination this mythology has set off in my mind over the years is still an open book - a book I don;t think I would have liked closing.
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Old March 21 2009, 10:44 PM   #13
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When Baltar was figuring the stuff out as he walked into the CIC I thought to myself, "This is awesome but don't get too specific, Ron. Don't ruin the mystery of it all."
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Old March 21 2009, 10:46 PM   #14
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I'm sure I've seen "daybreak" or "sunrise" as an ironic metaphor for large-scale nuclear holocaust...
If you ever come up with the reference be sure to let us know, but don't try the dodge that someone should or could be reasonably expected to infer it as an alternative meaning for the title - given, after all, that even you can't bring the relevant example to mind.
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Old March 21 2009, 11:12 PM   #15
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I'm sure I've seen "daybreak" or "sunrise" as an ironic metaphor for large-scale nuclear holocaust...
If you ever come up with the reference be sure to let us know, but don't try the dodge that someone should or could be reasonably expected to infer it as an alternative meaning for the title - given, after all, that even you can't bring the relevant example to mind.
Heh, okay, Polaris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ocaust_fiction

By Dawn's Early Light (story published in 1990)
The Sun Is Burning (a song written for Simon and Garfunkel)
Two Suns in the Sunset (Pink Floyd, off of Final Cut), which I'm listening to right now "The sun is in the east even though the day is done/Two suns in the sunset/Could be the human race is done"
And a novel actually alternately entitled Daybreak--although admittedly this novel takes place two centuries after the nuclear war

Ben Benjamin, a worker at Los Alamos, describes the Trinity test as "brighter than 20 suns and the most spectacular sunrise ever seen." [emphasis mine]

And if you can't see the metaphor, then you're being wilfully blind to the possibilities of language.
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