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Old March 21 2009, 09:35 AM   #46
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

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You are absolutely right. I STILL expected some sort of explanations for at least some of these points. The head characters especially, because RDM has explicitly said that they would be explained and they were not.
They were as explained as they needed to be: They were messengers of a creature that has been manipulating Humanity and Cylons throughout history in a never-ending cycle of violence and re-birth, seemingly with the goal of seeing if a society that is sufficiently moral as to survive can evolve.
But we already knew that. It's not an explanation if it's just reinforcing what we've already been told.
First: I've been watching BSG since it aired, and, no, we didn't know that. We never knew if HeadSix was a chip, or a CylonProjection, or a messenger from God, or what.

Secondly: Again, the point is not even that they're "God's" messengers. The point is that we no more understand their moral fiber than we do our own. The entire point of that is to use THEIR moral ambiguity to illustrate real society's moral ambiguity. We do not know if they were angels or demons, and we do not know if we are good or bad. The point is to make us ask that question, not to give answers.

Seriously, getting fixated on the technical nature of the Head characters is like getting fixated on how Hamlet escaped from the pirates. The story isn't about that, and to take it that way is to misread the text.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:42 AM   #47
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

In early season two, Six stated she was an angel of god and it was revealed Baltar had no chip in his head. Cylon projection didn't even exist as an option back then. The only time they really backed away from this idea after revealing it was after introducing Gina on Pegasus.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:45 AM   #48
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In early season two, Six stated she was an angel of god and it was revealed Baltar had no chip in his head.
And there were plenty of other possibilities so far as we knew at that time, up to and including Baltar himself being a Cylon, the Cylons having abilities yet unrevealed, and Baltar being completely insane.

HeadSix was certainly claiming to be a messenger from the entity that she calls God, but that does not mean we knew it until now. In fact, so far as I'm concerned, there was no particular reason to presume that she was telling the truth until the final sequence, because only then were the Head characters speaking to each other rather than to other characters.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:48 AM   #49
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The heart and soul of that episode was Adama putting the ring on Laura's dead hand. The heart and soul of that episode was Lee talking to Kara and then realizing that she's just gone and he'll never understand why. The heart and soul of that episode is the characters abandoning their sick and corrupt society to try to start over.
Well said. Those were the kinds of moments that defined what the show was really about. It's about their relationships, and their struggle to find meaning and purpose in a world that had been turned upside down, and how they deal with these emotionally complex Cylons who are also searching for answers.

It's not about the freakin Cylon mythology.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:51 AM   #50
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You answered your own question then: God did it and you've known it from the beginning. Have a problem with it? Get over it.
Given that we've been told this all along, it was reasonable to expect some explanation beyond that mystical explanation that really doesn't require any real explanation. I never expected that God would be debunked and revealed to be something else, I just wanted some insight into why all this happened. If God did it, WHY did he do it?
Good question. Probably something along the biblical route of humanity are God's children and he wants them to survive. The apocalypse where the Cylons destroyed the colonies of Kobol and they returned to Earth was another Doomsday. I read somewhere that when Glen A Larsen came up with the show it was meant to be Noah's Ark in space.

So "God" destroyed the 12 Colonies just like "He" sent the Great Flood and destroyed the Tower of Babel - as punishment inventing "decadent" technology!?

Maybe "God" destroyed the Colonies because "He" wanted to teach us that cybernetic technology could destroy us...?

Or God wanted to save us so he created this whole world full of humans we could breed with and gave Hera and Starbuck this message...but he couldn't just have stopped the destruction of the Colonies (or Kobol - or Earth mk. 1) in the first place...?

"God" in BSG is about as inconsistant and illigocal as "God" in the real universe...
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Old March 21 2009, 10:01 AM   #51
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In early season two, Six stated she was an angel of god and it was revealed Baltar had no chip in his head.
And there were plenty of other possibilities so far as we knew at that time, up to and including Baltar himself being a Cylon, the Cylons having abilities yet unrevealed, and Baltar being completely insane.

HeadSix was certainly claiming to be a messenger from the entity that she calls God, but that does not mean we knew it until now. In fact, so far as I'm concerned, there was no particular reason to presume that she was telling the truth until the final sequence, because only then were the Head characters speaking to each other rather than to other characters.
Yeah I certainly never thought she was being SERIOUS when she talked like that.

In fact it would be interesting to rewatch all her scenes from the beginning of the series, so I could actually pay more attention and glean a little more from her about this "God" she served (because I have to admit, I never paid much attention to all that mystical God talk she was spouting before).

Of course this assumes that it was Moore's intention with her all along, and it's not just a recent idea...
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Old March 21 2009, 10:18 AM   #52
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I think what a lot of people are missing here is that "God" didn't make all these things happen (with some exceptions), but many of the things that happened were in God's name. The skinjobs claimed it was God's will that humanity be destroyed, but then lots of groups HERE claim that this or that horrendous act is God's will. Just cause they say it's so doesn't mean it was actually so.

What was "God's" intent? To tell these being to stop this endless cycle of destruction, come together and take a different path. That generations of humans and cylons kept perpetrating the same mistakes was because they hadn't hit on the magic formula: our future isn't us or them, it's BOTH of us.

From my perspective, Hera being "Eve" means the colonial DNA died out except that which Hera carried: which is more or less implicit in the last scene where "Lucy" is mentioned. The head characters were messengers guiding a few chosen to the correct path. Whether or not they always followed that path correctly is another matter.

As to Kara: she's the Christ figure. She dies, she resurrects, then she vanishes back to the heavens.

As to our Earth and "All Along the Watchtower"...the implication is that song was part of the answer all along, various people in various times knew it (Anders "wrote" it, but someone on the Colonies did, too, and maybe it was back on Kobol...who knows?). Our Earth acts as the Promised Land. They always had the map (which became a song), but no one apparently ever figured it out before Kara tried it as jump coordinates.

Plenty of details the quibble over, but the above is one way to look at it.
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Old March 21 2009, 11:31 AM   #53
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

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All Along the Watchtower..... no


Kara's ressurection and her connection to Watchtower, Hera, God etc.... no


The opera house..... sort of. The visions, yes, the opera house itself.... no.


The head characters......... no.


The hybrids and Anders and their mystical insights.... no.


How Tyrol gained 50 pounds from eating algae rations and working 16 hour shifts every day...... no.



I loved the finale, really, but I am somewhat miffed at the lack of explanation for so many key questions. I do appreciate the concept of leaving it up to the viewer, and I think concrete explanations for every detail would be 1) impossible and 2) a let down, but come on. A little more would have been nice.

Maybe in The Plan?
The answer to all of these questions is: Watch Caprica. At least, that's the producer's answer.
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Old March 21 2009, 10:43 PM   #54
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

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All Along the Watchtower..... no


Kara's ressurection and her connection to Watchtower, Hera, God etc.... no


The opera house..... sort of. The visions, yes, the opera house itself.... no.


The head characters......... no.


The hybrids and Anders and their mystical insights.... no.


How Tyrol gained 50 pounds from eating algae rations and working 16 hour shifts every day...... no.



I loved the finale, really, but I am somewhat miffed at the lack of explanation for so many key questions. I do appreciate the concept of leaving it up to the viewer, and I think concrete explanations for every detail would be 1) impossible and 2) a let down, but come on. A little more would have been nice.

Maybe in The Plan?
The answer to all of these questions is: Watch Caprica. At least, that's the producer's answer.
They aren’t going to sucker me in again. Just like The X-files and Lost it became obvious there was no plan. It was just a series of stories that they loosely tied together at the end. The only series I can recall that actually pulled off a long term plan was B5 written by JMS.
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