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Old March 21 2009, 06:07 AM   #31
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

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We don't know if "God" is God. "It" doesn't like to be called God? What if "It" is a cylon-supercomputer that can manipulate matter from afar? Would that make people happier?
they certainly left it open to what the "God" in this universe actually is, we know it doesn't like to be called God, heh
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Old March 21 2009, 06:08 AM   #32
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Re: Of the "BIG" questions, how many were answered?

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Yeah, the impression I got is that "God" is far from the Christian God or anything like that.
Indeed
Ok. Now what?

It's still pretty lame. I mean, it could be this totally kick ass Q character, or a petulant Trelane child or an ancient Greek God...or even that Klingon Devil thing but you know what? The way they laid it out, who gives a shit? We'll never know and without any other clues besides "he doesn't like to be called God" speculating isn't really that fun. It's only fun to speculate on something when you have at least a few things to interpret.

Give us something to go on Ron!
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Old March 21 2009, 06:09 AM   #33
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We got a lot of answers, however the answers were horribly lame.
Your opinion
No fucking shit, this is a board with different people who think differently. I just love it when people write that bullshit.

The Opera House is the biggest let down in the history of the universe.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:10 AM   #34
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Yeah, the impression I got is that "God" is far from the Christian God or anything like that.
Indeed
Ok. Now what?

It's still pretty lame. I mean, it could be this totally kick ass Q character, or a petulant Trelane child or an ancient Greek God...or even that Klingon Devil thing but you know what? The way they laid it out, who gives a shit? We'll never know and without any other clues besides "he doesn't like to be called God" speculating isn't really that fun. It's only fun to speculate on something when you have at least a few things to interpret.

Give us something to go on Ron!
Maybe in "The Plan" we'll learn more about the Cylons relationship with this God, for example how they came to realize there was just "one" God. Something had to prompt their beleif in this God.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:12 AM   #35
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... I just wanted some insight into why all this happened. If God did it, WHY did he do it?
But God didn't cause everything that happened. The various holocausts happened because the humans and Cylons made them happen. All God did was ensure that something survived to try again.

And from the last conversation between HeadSix and HeadBaltar, it's clear that this will keep going until there's some sort of civilization that doesn't blow itself to hell.

Do we really need an explanation as to why some force might want this?
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Old March 21 2009, 06:12 AM   #36
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Indeed
Ok. Now what?

It's still pretty lame. I mean, it could be this totally kick ass Q character, or a petulant Trelane child or an ancient Greek God...or even that Klingon Devil thing but you know what? The way they laid it out, who gives a shit? We'll never know and without any other clues besides "he doesn't like to be called God" speculating isn't really that fun. It's only fun to speculate on something when you have at least a few things to interpret.

Give us something to go on Ron!
Maybe in "The Plan" we'll learn more about the Cylons relationship with this God, for example how they came to realize there was just "one" God. Something had to prompt their beleif in this God.
That would be fantastic. Why do the centurions (of all characters!) worship the one true God? Why did they come up with this on their own and pass it to the final five? Who adjusted the temple to show the final five?

All cool stuff I'd like to see.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:13 AM   #37
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The Opera House is the biggest let down in the history of the universe.
Would that make this the biggest overstatement in the history of the universe?
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Old March 21 2009, 06:24 AM   #38
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The Opera House is the biggest let down in the history of the universe.
Would that make this the biggest overstatement in the history of the universe?
Yes, followed secondly by your statement, and therefore followed thirdly by my statement not including this last part.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:26 AM   #39
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Indeed
Ok. Now what?

It's still pretty lame. I mean, it could be this totally kick ass Q character, or a petulant Trelane child or an ancient Greek God...or even that Klingon Devil thing but you know what? The way they laid it out, who gives a shit? We'll never know and without any other clues besides "he doesn't like to be called God" speculating isn't really that fun. It's only fun to speculate on something when you have at least a few things to interpret.

Give us something to go on Ron!
Maybe in "The Plan" we'll learn more about the Cylons relationship with this God, for example how they came to realize there was just "one" God. Something had to prompt their beleif in this God.
"Caprica" might as well. Looks like we will see the formation of a god worshipping group of humans, whether that will delve into the actual nature of god or not I don't know.
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Old March 21 2009, 08:32 AM   #40
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I think it's funny that people are trying to find some hard, logical, scifi explanation for everything, when from the very beginning Moore has clearly been much more interested in the emotion and poetry and mystery of this world, and the characters in it.

All those quiet character moments and raw displays of emotion and mystical visions weren't just done to be "arty", or as a way to kill time between Cylon attacks. They were what the show was always ABOUT. The fleet and the cylons and the mythology were nothing more than a backdrop for these characters and the emotional journeys they were all on.

Trying to dissect the plot like it's freakin Star Trek misses the point entirely. lol
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Old March 21 2009, 08:37 AM   #41
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Uh, we got a lot of answers to all of those questions.
Really? Okay, what were they. Saying "God did it" isn't an answer, that's what we've already known all along.
In a real science fiction series, no, that isn't an answer. The same people who loved Touched by an Angel are going to sit here and tell you how great of an answer that is.
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Old March 21 2009, 08:49 AM   #42
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I think it's funny that people are trying to find some hard, logical, scifi explanation for everything, when from the very beginning Moore has clearly been much more interested in the emotion and poetry and mystery of this world, and the characters in it.

All those quiet character moments and raw displays of emotion and mystical visions weren't just done to be "arty", or as a way to kill time between Cylon attacks. They were what the show was always ABOUT. The fleet and the cylons and the mythology were nothing more than a backdrop for these characters and the emotional journeys they were all on.

Trying to dissect the plot like it's freakin Star Trek misses the point entirely. lol
Exactly.

I mean, the heart and soul of that episode wasn't in the technical minutiae. "What was HeadSix? What were the Cylons' plans?"

The heart and soul of that episode was Adama putting the ring on Laura's dead hand. The heart and soul of that episode was Lee talking to Kara and then realizing that she's just gone and he'll never understand why. The heart and soul of that episode is the characters abandoning their sick and corrupt society to try to start over.

What's is "God"'s plan? Well, if HeadSix and HeadBaltar are to be believed, he's engaging in a long-term, multi-planetary game of apocalypse and re-build. And he doesn't like being called "God." (Maybe he's actually the Devil?) But the point of the episode, of the series, really, is the cycle of violence that societies find themselves in: How they rise, fall, and are reborn in bloodshed, and how they try to break that cycle.... but never quite escape it. Is it "God's" plan? Is it inherent to our nature -- and therefore to God's?

These are questions it's supposed to make you ask. They are inevitably unanswerable, and it would be really cheap, and a huge letdown, for them to even try. There's a reason that the funniest gag in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is finding out that the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is 42 -- because when you hear that, you realize that there's no answer that could possibly be enough. So it is with the questions Battlestar Galactica raises about human -- and by extension, divine -- nature.

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Really? Okay, what were they. Saying "God did it" isn't an answer, that's what we've already known all along.
In a real science fiction series, no, that isn't an answer. The same people who loved Touched by an Angel are going to sit here and tell you how great of an answer that is.
Actually, considering that the series raised the very real possibility that God is either evil or amoral, that's pretty unlikely.

The idea is ambiguity. Sorry if you don't like that.
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I think it's funny that people are trying to find some hard, logical, scifi explanation for everything, when from the very beginning Moore has clearly been much more interested in the emotion and poetry and mystery of this world, and the characters in it.

All those quiet character moments and raw displays of emotion and mystical visions weren't just done to be "arty", or as a way to kill time between Cylon attacks. They were what the show was always ABOUT. The fleet and the cylons and the mythology were nothing more than a backdrop for these characters and the emotional journeys they were all on.

Trying to dissect the plot like it's freakin Star Trek misses the point entirely. lol
You are absolutely right. I STILL expected some sort of explanations for at least some of these points. The head characters especially, because RDM has explicitly said that they would be explained and they were not.
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You are absolutely right. I STILL expected some sort of explanations for at least some of these points. The head characters especially, because RDM has explicitly said that they would be explained and they were not.
They were as explained as they needed to be: They were messengers of a creature that has been manipulating Humanity and Cylons throughout history in a never-ending cycle of violence and re-birth, seemingly with the goal of seeing if a society that is sufficiently moral as to survive can evolve.

Is that creature God, or the Devil? Are the head characters angels, or demons?

We don't know, and we don't know because they're reflections of us. And no one can say whether Humanity is good or evil. It's an open question and it always will be. To try to definitively ascribe divinity or demonry to "God" would be to undermine the primary theme of moral ambiguity, to undermine the ability of the series to ask its question -- for it is a series about questions, not answers. And the question is:

Are we worthy of survival?
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You are absolutely right. I STILL expected some sort of explanations for at least some of these points. The head characters especially, because RDM has explicitly said that they would be explained and they were not.
They were as explained as they needed to be: They were messengers of a creature that has been manipulating Humanity and Cylons throughout history in a never-ending cycle of violence and re-birth, seemingly with the goal of seeing if a society that is sufficiently moral as to survive can evolve.
But we already knew that. It's not an explanation if it's just reinforcing what we've already been told.
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