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Old March 21 2009, 05:26 AM   #31
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My theory: One of the head angels, but in a different way. The higher being who apparently doesn't like to be called God must have used her for this purpose after she died. Therefore it re-created her and her viper and copied her memories into this new Kara and sent her on her way.

So to summarize, just a tool this higher being used to fulfill its plans. She was only as real as it needed her to be. The real Kara died on the first Earth.
This. Pre-"Maelstrom" Kara was just a human being, chosen by God. Post-"Maelstrom" Kara wasn't truly Kara, just a manifestation sent by God to lead humanity to Earth.
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Whatever you want to think she was, you're right. They didn't tell us.
Exactly. It was a copout. I aways found the whole god thing funny since RM tried to be so realistic during the show. No aliens, no wierd phenomena, etc.(not to say religion isnt realistic but it just felt forced in this last ep) I was hoping that the god thing was just a metaphor.
Just because you don't like a plot point or how it was done, that doesn't make it a cop out.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:26 AM   #32
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Well, all of the humans wouldn't be descended just from Hera though. She'd just be the first of her kind. Most of the rebel Cylons were females. I imagine a lot of "breeding experiments" went on all over the world when the humans and Cylons had little to do other than watch their crops grow.

"Gods I'm bored."

"Wanna play cards."

"No, let's frak."

A generation later, there are lots of mitochondrial Eves and Adams.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:30 AM   #33
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Well, all of the humans wouldn't be descended just from Hera though.
You have to work through it a little bit, but "mitochondrial Eve" isn't the "most common recent ancestor" which is what you're talking about.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:32 AM   #34
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But didn't the hybrid say she would lead the human race to their doom? Maybe not that exact wording but it wasn't just "end" it was sinister sounding.
No, it was "end." And the Kobollian human race did end, culturally and, eventually, biologically. They bred out, with the cylons and the native humans, and left a new human race made from all three of them. It's like what Baltar said in part one; once Galactica was gone, it meant the end of the life they had and the beginning of a new one.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:33 AM   #35
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I get what you're saying.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:39 AM   #36
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Unless RDM says something different in the podcast I firmly believe that Kara died in "Maelstorm" as a continuation of her destiny. She (actually Kara not an angel or something) was brought back to lead the people to Earth (2). When that was accomplished she had no reason to remain and therefore stopped existing as it were. I hope that's making some sense (I'm really tired.).
In the Maelstrom podcast, RDM did say that Kara was "accepting her destiny to go into the storm and end her life" or something like that. At the time I figured it was just a way of saying her destiny to go into the maelstrom and find earth or whatever, but not die... but now I see it really was her destiny to accept death, go into the storm, and die.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:39 AM   #37
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Kara may have been an angel but she was also herself. Otherwise she would have known the coordinates to (our) Earth from the moment she was resurrected. She possessed them all along, but first she had to pass The Deity Formerly Known As God's tests to recognize the knowledge within her.

Also, Galactica probably could not have jumped to (our) Earth from anywhere but the Cylon Colony, next to the singularity. If Kara had known the song notes were jump coordinates from the beginning, they wouldn't have worked from where they were before.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:43 AM   #38
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Kara may have been an angel but she was also herself. Otherwise she would have known the coordinates to (our) Earth from the moment she was resurrected. She possessed them all along, but first she had to pass The Deity Formerly Known As God's tests to recognize the knowledge within her.

Also, Galactica probably could not have jumped to (our) Earth from anywhere but the Cylon Colony, next to the singularity. If Kara had known the song notes were jump coordinates from the beginning, they wouldn't have worked from where they were before.
Right. I don't think post-"Maelstrom" Kara was a completely different being, just Kara temporarily reincarnated by God. She was given the map to Earth, but it was up to her to figure it out.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:44 AM   #39
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My theory: One of the head angels, but in a different way. The higher being who apparently doesn't like to be called God must have used her for this purpose after she died. Therefore it re-created her and her viper and copied her memories into this new Kara and sent her on her way.

So to summarize, just a tool this higher being used to fulfill its plans. She was only as real as it needed her to be.

The real Kara died on the first Earth.
You know I really like that.
Interesting, that actually makes that story work better for me and makes sense of the white viper and all. Hmm, I may have to reevaluate my opinion there....
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Old March 21 2009, 06:00 AM   #40
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The dying (dead) leader who brought them home.
Yep, finally we know who it was.
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So, now it turns out all the people who claimed RDM was lying when he said Starbuck was dead actually were wrong!
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Old March 21 2009, 06:29 AM   #42
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So, now it turns out all the people who claimed RDM was lying when he said Starbuck was dead actually were wrong!
Well we've known that since "Sometimes a Great Notion"
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Old March 21 2009, 06:31 AM   #43
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The dying (dead) leader who brought them home.
Yep, finally we know who it was.
Not so fast. The dying leader suffered from a wasting disease according to the prophecy. And she saw the 12 snakes etc. It's still Roslin.

Although... it did also say she wouldn't live to see the promised land. But close enough.
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Old March 21 2009, 06:37 AM   #44
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So if Starbuck is an angel or agent of God - why did she freak out so hard to get the ship to stop moving away from Earth 1? Why did they have to go to Earth 1 at all?

I ask because if she knew the coordinates to jump to Earth 2 all along, and since nothing really happened on Earth 1 once they found it...I mean, they really did just leave it...then why did she bother with Earth 1 at all?

Why wasn't her viper on Earth 2? It doesn't make sense at all, other than to trick the viewer or show where the final five lived.

But from an angel with a mission standpoint - why is she not going straight to earth 2?
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So if Starbuck is an angel or agent of God - why did she freak out so hard to get the ship to stop moving away from Earth 1? Why did they have to go to Earth 1 at all?

I ask because if she knew the coordinates to jump to Earth 2 all along, and since nothing really happened on Earth 1 once they found it...I mean, they really did just leave it...then why did she bother with Earth 1 at all?

Why wasn't her viper on Earth 2? It doesn't make sense at all, other than to trick the viewer.
she didn't know all along, she had to figure it out too, think of it as if the God recreates a new Kara body, downloads her memories into it, and with a gentle push puts her on her way to discovering the truths for herself
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