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View Poll Results: Grade "TITDP2; TLVOTJC"
"I'll be back." (Excellent) 51 73.91%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 14 20.29%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 4 5.80%
"If we stay the course we're dead! We're all dead!" (Below Average) 0 0%
"You are TERMINATED!" (Poor) 0 0%
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Old March 21 2009, 04:13 PM   #106
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

Beyond excellent! Awesome writing, performances, pacing... everything almost perfect.

This was the first time I saw John as a commanding presence, and not a whiney teenager.

And, as soon as a crewman starts acting like an idiot, you should kill him. Don't give him a chance to open Pandora's Box and get people killed. Idiot!!
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Old March 21 2009, 04:56 PM   #107
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Great episode, possibly the best they have done, certainly the best of this season. the show has really rebounded from the horribly dull and uninteresting stuff it was putting out a few episodes ago.

I hope the submarine crew isnt indicative of how competent humans in the future are though, otherwise it's no wonder Connor is relying on Terminators more and more.

Also, in the future scene where Cameron debriefed Jessie, did Cameron have on that leather jacket she took back at gunpoint from those kids in the bowling alley last season? Nice to see it survives judgement day and the afterworks without a scratch!
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Old March 21 2009, 07:17 PM   #108
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also i must have missed it, did derek actually kill jesse, or did he not decide to do it because john didnt. even though he said "I'm not John Connor" and we see him pull the trigger. and then later he was talking to john, implying he didnt kill her.
Terminator wiki claims that the gun wasn't loaded. I'm going to rewatch it this evening to find out.
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Old March 21 2009, 07:19 PM   #109
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I voted excellent on this also, this is the best episode of this series yet! I hope John decides to keep the set of balls he found.
I've read a few complaints regarding the ending though where he was crying... apparently the people complaining have never lost anyone close to them...
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Old March 21 2009, 08:15 PM   #110
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I thought the scene with John crying was there to affirm the earlier statement about the Resistance needing to that see he had a human side.

What evidence was there onscreen to say Derek's gun wasn't loaded? I sure didn't see anything.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:59 PM   #111
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Yeah that's where I got confused, that was the one part I thought was done pretty clumsy in my opinion
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Old March 21 2009, 11:10 PM   #112
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I thought the scene with John crying was there to affirm the earlier statement about the Resistance needing to that see he had a human side.

What evidence was there onscreen to say Derek's gun wasn't loaded? I sure didn't see anything.
It's not something you see, it's something you hear. We got a "click" when Derek pulled the trigger, but not a "BANG!". I also suspected there was no bullet in the chamber.

I agree on the last scene - beautifully done, as Cameron either doesn't notice or doesn't know what to do when John looks at her, and then he turns to Sarah for support. I liked it that John spared Jesse, and I liked it that he seemed to realise his future self was also at fault for becoming so aloof. Present John is firmly human though, and he manages to care for and Riley, and Cameron, and Derek, and Sarah, while sparing Jesse.

Future Connor's secrecy (if he is even alive) was a major contribution factor to the mess on the submarine, as he was requiring blind trust in a reprogrammed Terminator (and they can go bad, sometimes). He should have at least told Jesse the real deal (probably afraid of freaking the resistance out with attempt to ally with non-aligned, non-reprogrammed Terminators).

Excellent episode all around, the way an almost season-long arc of Jesse and Riley came together in the end was beautiful. Big contrast to BSG; planning things out really helps.
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Old March 22 2009, 03:08 AM   #113
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This was definitely one of the better episodes. I think this is the first time in the entire series I actually liked and respected John Conner (and the actor as well). He actually came off smart and confident for once. I am annoyed we don't know if Jesse is dead or not though... I assume she is. So was the T-1000 supposed to Robert Patrick since it did the finger wag?
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Old March 22 2009, 03:12 AM   #114
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Say what you will about her, but Jesse can always sell any dream to me.

Reese should've done her a favor and shot the mole off her face.
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Old March 22 2009, 03:25 AM   #115
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Impossibly Terminator's ratings have climbed AGAIN! A whopping 3.65 million! Last week was 3.50, before that 2.96 their low point. Might it actually get renewed?!
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Old March 22 2009, 04:42 AM   #116
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Here's hoping
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Old March 22 2009, 05:39 AM   #117
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This was definitely one of the better episodes. I think this is the first time in the entire series I actually liked and respected John Conner (and the actor as well). He actually came off smart and confident for once. I am annoyed we don't know if Jesse is dead or not though... I assume she is. So was the T-1000 supposed to Robert Patrick since it did the finger wag?
I liked this one, too. John finally acted like a leader--someone you can believe will grow up to lead the survivors. I, too, think Jesse is dead.

It sure would be interesting to see what would happen if the "quicksilver" Terminator had said "yes."
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Old March 22 2009, 07:17 AM   #118
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So NX what kind of terminator was Queeg?
We aren't entirely sure - not specified - but we can guarantee he was at least of the 800 series because he had real skin.
I'm pretty sure Jesse mentioned in a previous episode the submarine was captained by a T-888.
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Old March 22 2009, 07:27 AM   #119
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So NX what kind of terminator was Queeg?
We aren't entirely sure - not specified - but we can guarantee he was at least of the 800 series because he had real skin.
I'm pretty sure Jesse mentioned in a previous episode the submarine was captained by a T-888.
It was confirmed later in the same episode that he was a T-888 (actually as I typed that post).
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Old March 22 2009, 07:28 AM   #120
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also i must have missed it, did derek actually kill jesse, or did he not decide to do it because john didnt. even though he said "I'm not John Connor" and we see him pull the trigger. and then later he was talking to john, implying he didnt kill her.
Terminator wiki claims that the gun wasn't loaded. I'm going to rewatch it this evening to find out.
Ok it wouldn't let me edit so I'm just replying:

When Derek pulls the trigger the gun does click which most likely means that Derek didn't kill Jesse.
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