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View Poll Results: Grade "TITDP2; TLVOTJC"
"I'll be back." (Excellent) 51 73.91%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 14 20.29%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 4 5.80%
"If we stay the course we're dead! We're all dead!" (Below Average) 0 0%
"You are TERMINATED!" (Poor) 0 0%
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Old March 21 2009, 04:13 AM   #91
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

We have a lot to live up for with BSG's finale.
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Old March 21 2009, 04:29 AM   #92
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

such a calm ending to BSG, will terminator have such a thing?
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Old March 21 2009, 04:35 AM   #93
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The finale for this season is supposed to wrap things up, but there is an undercurrent designed to make us want more.
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Old March 21 2009, 05:12 AM   #94
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Since it, oddly, won't let me edit...

Does anyone else see the similarities between the Resistance and the Fleet of BSG once the Cylons joined it?
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Old March 21 2009, 08:13 AM   #95
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

Coming back after discussing BSG, whew, ok yeah I give this episode an Excellent, it has improved greatly compared to the past few episodes. That whole thing with Sarah and the UFO just went on too long. This episode had some great character moments toward the end, especially with John/Jesse and Derek/Jesse, and then Jesse/Cameron in the future. Good stuff.
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Old March 21 2009, 08:18 AM   #96
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I voted excellent on this also, this is the best episode of this series yet! I hope John decides to keep the set of balls he found.
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Old March 21 2009, 08:19 AM   #97
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^ Indeed, it is like he is 10 years older all of the sudden in this episode
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Old March 21 2009, 08:41 AM   #98
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Just that T-1000 or some faction of the machines in Jessie's alternate future?
Probably just that T-1000. T-1000's are incredibly dangerous in the Terminator Universe - so much so that Skynet itself was supposed to be afraid of them.
Skynet has emotions?
It depends on how one defines emotions. Fear is the basic "primitive" parts of brain telling the thinking parts of your brain that you are in a situation that could result in you being horribly injured or killed.
Certainly, Skynet has some way of evaluating danger that is analogous to human fear, just as terminators are able to evaluate damage in a manner that is analogous to human pain. It was probably this fear that drove Skynet to turn on humanity in the first place.

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Fairly interesting so far. I see we were right about what was in the box.
Welcome. What I find interesting is they say in the description that her actions in the future have dangerous consequences for the present...
I imagine that the T-1000 might have been leaning towards say "yes" before the submarine trip and that Jesse and her friends simply showed her how motherfraking insane humans are. They opened the box when their orders forbade doing so. One of them raised a weapon against the T-1000. They attacked their superior officer. Jesse executed her captain. And in the end she sank the damned submarine.

Who exactly would want to join forces with people like that?

As Weaver said to John Henry, "Humans will disapoint you." They disapointed her, and now she's back in the present, doing god knows what with John Henry.

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Queeg is hella cool so of course they kill him.
But, on a lighter note, we finally get to see what a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range does to a terminator.
Which really makes no sense. 40 watts is low for a lightbulb. It's also a measure of energy over time, rather than a measure of total energy output per shot. Since each shot takes well under a second, the amount of energy put into one is likely to be well under 40 joules. It shouldn't be able to produce enough heat to burn through any sort of metal.

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Did Queeg just kill him?

It sure looked like it.
Jesse's punch to his throat was likely to be fatal. It looked like she crushed his airway. It would have taken some time for him to suffocate to death if that were the case. Eitehr way, Queeg certainly finished him off.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:03 AM   #99
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

i really enjoyed this episode. so john wanted the T1000 to join them? Wonder what that meant, if that was indeed Weaver, is she a rogue terminator, who became self aware and defected from skynet. sort of like an agent smith? went back into the past with her own agenda?

i think that would be really interesting, if that was the case.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:08 AM   #100
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also i must have missed it, did derek actually kill jesse, or did he not decide to do it because john didnt. even though he said "I'm not John Connor" and we see him pull the trigger. and then later he was talking to john, implying he didnt kill her.
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Old March 21 2009, 10:23 AM   #101
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Which really makes no sense. 40 watts is low for a lightbulb. It's also a measure of energy over time, rather than a measure of total energy output per shot. Since each shot takes well under a second, the amount of energy put into one is likely to be well under 40 joules. It shouldn't be able to produce enough heat to burn through any sort of metal.
I always thought it was 40 Jigawatts...McFly

What i want to know is who were the T-800's or the Endos that gave the box to Jessie and her crew? Were they another rogue faction? Why would they just give it over to the humans? Was it some kind of human/terminator exchange program? They really need to expound on all that...
And I gave this episode an Excellent just for the B!tch Jessie getting what she deserved...Awesome. Tho I still dont get how John figured it all out. Thats gonna take a little more explaining that i doubt well get...
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Old March 21 2009, 11:45 AM   #102
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Forgetting all the mythology stuff, I thought this was a great episode because they managed to develop the character of "future John" by simply showing how "present John" acts dealing with Jessie. It was a really tightly written episode. I just hope they'll have a chance to do more.
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Old March 21 2009, 12:44 PM   #103
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Wow. 18 excellents and an above average. Now THAT is progress. This one was superb though. A rare case of a two-parter not swandiving after part one, and we got a lot of answers at last.

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Old March 21 2009, 03:40 PM   #104
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This show has me cheering for John Conner's demise as well as everyone around him. I wanted Jesse to fight back and kill Derek. I don't like these people one bit. Connor is an arrogant punk and Derek is a slobbering fool who follows him without any hint of ability to think for himself. If Connor is the future of mankind mankind deserves to be killed off.
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Old March 21 2009, 03:46 PM   #105
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Derek?

Yes. She said "cost US" and he, like a fucking moron, didn't listen to her. What REALLY pisses me off about it is he's tried to get John to get rid of her a bunch of times and she actually had the balls to REALLY try and do it and he gets pissed about it. Loser.
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