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View Poll Results: Grade "TITDP2; TLVOTJC"
"I'll be back." (Excellent) 51 73.91%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 14 20.29%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 4 5.80%
"If we stay the course we're dead! We're all dead!" (Below Average) 0 0%
"You are TERMINATED!" (Poor) 0 0%
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Old March 22 2009, 11:16 PM   #136
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Re: Terminator-219 "Today Pt2/TLVOTJC Pt2" - Discuss/Grade

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The mission on the sub, was that before or after Judgement Day? Humans and machines worked together??




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After "J Day".

The Resistance is using Terminators who were captured and re-programmed: Arnie in T2, Arnie in T3 (alright, that's not part of T:SCC's canon), Cameron, the Sub captain etc.

Or are you referring to John Connor's "Will you join us?" question? Well, maybe we will find out more about that in later episodes...
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Old March 22 2009, 11:22 PM   #137
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The mission on the sub, was that before or after Judgement Day? Humans and machines worked together??




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After "J Day".

The Resistance is using Terminators who were captured and re-programmed: Arnie in T2, Arnie in T3 (alright, that's not part of T:SCC's canon), Cameron, the Sub captain etc.

Or are you referring to John Connor's "Will you join us?" question? Well, maybe we will find out more about that in later episodes...
Okay, my question was answered after I asked it..lol I didn't finish watching the episode first..lol

So was the liquid terminator the one from T-2?


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Old March 23 2009, 12:10 AM   #138
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^ We don't know who she is. She could be the T-1000 from T2 (I highly doubt it), Catherine Weaver (a possibility), or another T-1000/T-1001 series.
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Old March 23 2009, 12:54 AM   #139
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So, one question is, was the T-1000/1001 being taken to Connor against its will? Or was it basically just a passenger? My guess is the latter, but I don't get why it needed to be in the case. Was that just to keep the crew from noticing?

My guess is that Jesse is dead, but they left it ambiguous enough that if the show is renewed and the writers feel like they have a good reason to bring her character back (not sure why) they can show her to be alive.

I see next week Sarah is already dealing with cancer?
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Old March 23 2009, 05:34 AM   #140
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Impossibly Terminator's ratings have climbed AGAIN! A whopping 3.65 million! Last week was 3.50, before that 2.96 their low point. Might it actually get renewed?!
That is excellent news. Fox had better take notice!
So a bit of action gets put back into the show and the ratings rise? Who would have thought?
Not that much action, really, apart from Queeg's face-splitting.
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Old March 23 2009, 06:03 AM   #141
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^ Which was, of course, a really great scene.
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Old March 23 2009, 08:30 AM   #142
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Excellent episode. The best so far. It was nice to see John actually step up to the plate and finally show a glimmer of leadership that he's so famous for in the future.

For what it's worth I think Jesse is still alive.
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Old March 23 2009, 10:14 AM   #143
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That is excellent news. Fox had better take notice!
So a bit of action gets put back into the show and the ratings rise? Who would have thought?
Not that much action, really, apart from Queeg's face-splitting.
Moreso than the deathly dull sarah-centric episodes previously though.

I dont just mean action as in explosions and fights, but scenes where they did stuff, like John confronting Jessie, Derek confronting her. The future scenes. All much much better than scene after scene of Srah being "crazy".
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Old March 23 2009, 10:28 AM   #144
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I think the problem with this show is Sarah Connor's character. It's too bad this couldn't have been called the John Connor Chronicles (rights issues, I believe). Maybe we could have gotten rid of her...
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Old March 23 2009, 03:56 PM   #145
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That is excellent news. Fox had better take notice!
So a bit of action gets put back into the show and the ratings rise? Who would have thought?
Not that much action, really, apart from Queeg's face-splitting.

You also had the T-1000 spear a crewman, the mutineers attack Jesse, Jesse destroying Queeg, the T-1000 zipping through the ship, and the sub coming apart . . . .

That's all pretty lively!
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Old March 23 2009, 05:40 PM   #146
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It's not just literal fighting scenes but the tension of the potential as well, the scenes on the sub when they can be attacked at any moment... the scenes with Jesse when you don't know if they're going to kill her or not... much better than Sarah hallucinating various scenarios
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Old March 23 2009, 06:29 PM   #147
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I voted excellent on this also, this is the best episode of this series yet! I hope John decides to keep the set of balls he found.
I've read a few complaints regarding the ending though where he was crying... apparently the people complaining have never lost anyone close to them...
I've lost people close to me, and I've been able to at least hold it together while other people were around, and then I'd cry in private. Even if I had cried publicly, I wouldn't bawl or put my head on my mom's lap, especially at the age of 17. The worst part is that this wasn't even when he found out. At this point an outburst seems like too much, especially for someone that's supposed to be legendary.

The best way to portray John would've had him cry in private, or hell, even when he was over Riley's body. That would've worked a lot better for me. His bawling and putting his head on Sarah's lap made the "set of balls that he found" instantly shrivel.
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Old March 23 2009, 06:37 PM   #148
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you ever been in a really traumatic situation? it can be days before the reality "hits" you, alot came down on John at once, and the ending scene was the first time John had to really take it all in and let it settle
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Old March 23 2009, 07:11 PM   #149
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you ever been in a really traumatic situation?
If by traumatic you mean a loved one dying (which is the case here), then yes, I do believe I already mentioned that.
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Old March 23 2009, 09:09 PM   #150
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I think the problem with this show is Sarah Connor's character. It's too bad this couldn't have been called the John Connor Chronicles (rights issues, I believe). Maybe we could have gotten rid of her...
I kinda agree with this post. Lena Hadley's portrayal of Sarah Connor is just meh IMO as she adds no gravity to the character. I also think that it is funny that almost every Sarah centered episode has been middling and no where near great, where most of the episodes which feature John or anyone else for that matter have been a whole lot better. The writers really need to figure out what they are going to do with her character IMO, as crazy Sarah doesn't work for me and she hasn't had the strongest episodes to date. In truth, her character is almost superfluous at this point, she gave birth to John and taught him how to fight, she is no longer needed in the universe.
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