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Old March 23 2009, 07:55 PM   #31
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Re: Spoiler? who here has read the good that men do?

I'll take the bad reviews for "Maru" with a grain of salt until I read it myself. Just to be fair. It can't possibly be worse than "TATV."
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Old March 23 2009, 08:00 PM   #32
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I'll take the bad reviews for "Maru" with a grain of salt until I read it myself. Just to be fair. It can't possibly be worse than "TATV."
I think that kinda goes without saying.
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Old March 23 2009, 08:02 PM   #33
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I'll take the bad reviews for "Maru" with a grain of salt until I read it myself. Just to be fair.
As you should. Like I said above reviews are nothing more than the opinion of one person.

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It can't possibly be worse than "TATV."
That's why I didn't gave the novel the worst possible rating.
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Old March 23 2009, 08:28 PM   #34
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Any news on whether there'll be a third novel in this series? Or does "Maru" sort of wrap up the whole Trip/Romulan War thing with a neat little bow?
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Old March 23 2009, 08:31 PM   #35
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Any news on whether there'll be a third novel in this series? Or does "Maru" sort of wrap up the whole Trip/Romulan War thing with a neat little bow?
Book 3 "The Romulan War" comes out later this year.
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Any news on whether there'll be a third novel in this series? Or does "Maru" sort of wrap up the whole Trip/Romulan War thing with a neat little bow?
Book 3 "The Romulan War" comes out later this year.
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Old March 23 2009, 08:41 PM   #37
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Enterprise Trade Paperback kicks off Romulan War
Originally planned as two book series, "Enterprise: The Romulan War,"by Michael A. Martin will be now be released as a trade paperback in October 2009. Following immediately after the events of this year’s "Enterprise: Kobayashi Maru," this new book starts off (but does not complete) the famed Romulan War, told through the eyes of Captain Archer and the NX-01 crew.
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Old March 23 2009, 09:02 PM   #38
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Read somewhere that there may be three (3) books in the Romulan War Arc.

Don't know anything more than that and not sure if it is true or not
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Old March 23 2009, 11:12 PM   #39
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One of things that really made me like this book initially was the decision to reverse "TATV", which I thought was terrible. I also like how they framed it around Jake and Nog.

But with time to reflect I think it was a bit too much convoluted a plot to bring Trip back. I mean, is he truly the only person that can do this job? Also, why did they have to fake his death? He could've just made up another escape, a deep space mission or posting or something that would explain his absence from the NX-01.

Overall, I thought the book was well written and the characterizations were done fairly well. I enjoyed this book a lot more than Kobayashi Maru, which really strained credulity, where Trip was concerned.

So, I don't think the book was a bad read if you hated TATV and were a big Trip fan. However, it was a totally unnecessary fanwank. The same events leading up to the Romulan war could've been told almost as easily inserting another character besides Trip IMO.
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Old March 23 2009, 11:17 PM   #40
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The same events leading up to the Romulan war could've been told almost as easily inserting another character besides Trip IMO.
Hmm, but would it really be an "ENTERPRISE" story without Trip in it?

After all, he was, to my understanding, by far the most popular character on the show.
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Old March 24 2009, 04:40 AM   #41
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I really liked How Trip was written in the Good that Men do and how his story is continued in Kobayashi Maru. I liked how Trip and T'pol's storylines together and apart were written in both books.The Romulan intrigue is something that is really handled well in the latest book. Trip's journey of being a spy on Romulas and being deep undercover and how they dealt with alot of unexpected twists and turns without spoiling the book for those who haven't read it yet.It's worth reading to see how his story continues and the events leading up to the Earth / Romulan war continues. I can't wait for the next book to come out.
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The same events leading up to the Romulan war could've been told almost as easily inserting another character besides Trip IMO.
Hmm, but would it really be an "ENTERPRISE" story without Trip in it?

After all, he was, to my understanding, by far the most popular character on the show.
True. But even TOS and TNG novels have their occasional Geordi or Worf story to tell and they sold in decent numbers.
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True. But even TOS and TNG novels have their occasional Geordi or Worf story to tell and they sold in decent numbers.
Maybe so, but the whole point of TGTMD was to fix TATV, right? How would leaving Trip out fix anything?
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True. But even TOS and TNG novels have their occasional Geordi or Worf story to tell and they sold in decent numbers.
Maybe so, but the whole point of TGTMD was to fix TATV, right? How would leaving Trip out fix anything?
Well, it's a given these novels are a big apology for "TATV." But I imagine even if they weren't and Trip weren't the main character they'd sell decently. The ones focusing on T'Pol, Hoshi and Malcolm while the show was still on the air turned enough dough to make the continuation of the line possible.
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Old March 26 2009, 11:38 AM   #45
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The same events leading up to the Romulan war could've been told almost as easily inserting another character besides Trip IMO.
Hmm, but would it really be an "ENTERPRISE" story without Trip in it?

After all, he was, to my understanding, by far the most popular character on the show.
Yes, it could be an Enterprise story without Trip IMO. Though it wasn't quite an ensemble cast, there were still several main cast members besides Trip to choose from. From my recollection, both Hoshi and Travis have gotten the spotlight in recent novels and they didn't stop being considered "Enterprise" because of it.

Trip by far became the favorite of the writers and since he got the most development, coupled with Trinnear's engaging portrayal, the favorite of many fans. I'm not sure if he was the most popular though. I guess we would have to do a poll. I think a lot of people liked T'Pol and Shran too. And there are some Archer fans out there as well. And small pockets of Hoshi, Travis, Reed, and Phlox fans. Without the Trip crutch it forces the writers to flesh out the rest of the characters, and for the most part I liked Martin and Mangels work with Archer, T'Pol, and Travis in LFM, TGTMD and Kobyashi Maru. It might even be better without Trip sucking up most of the storyline oxygen.

Despite the suckitude of TATV, it might have been a braver choice to write books without Trip-the tentpole/franchise character-instead. I think T'Pol, with her background in intelligence and being a Vulcan of course could've done the same job Trip did without the convulted backstory, with a little tweaking of the storyline.

I've enjoyed the Romulan intrigue in both TGTMD and Kobayashi Maru. However, the buildup to the Romulan War wasn't what I expected-and not in a good way. That being said, I'm curious to read the Romulan War book coming out regardless.

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