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Old March 11 2009, 06:38 PM   #1
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Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise

My fiancee likes TOS a lot, but she doesn't really care for any of the other shows. I don't think she's watched any of them. I never considered myself a big Enterprise or Voyager fan, but I'd like to watch some other Star Trek other than TOS.

What are your favorite episodes from these series? the best introductions to someone new to the spin-offs? Overall I guess I prefer good stories and/or hard sci-fi.

Already know BOBW, All good things, Yesterday's enterprise, Measure of a man from TNG... other than those, ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Old March 11 2009, 08:05 PM   #2
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

It might not be a bad idea to try showing her episodes that feature cast from the original series: McCoy's cameo in "Encounter at Farpoint", Spock in "Unification Pt. 1 and 2", Scotty in "Relics", Sarek in "Sarek" or Kirk in Generations.

It provides a familiar bridge while also showing off a cast that might be unfamiliar to her.
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Old March 11 2009, 08:22 PM   #3
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It might not be a bad idea to try showing her episodes that feature cast from the original series: McCoy's cameo in "Encounter at Farpoint", Spock in "Unification Pt. 1 and 2", Scotty in "Relics", Sarek in "Sarek" or Kirk in Generations.

It provides a familiar bridge while also showing off a cast that might be unfamiliar to her.
Also you could show her the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations". It could be the perfect thing to show her to introduce her to a new crew but with them taking part in an actual TOS episode! If she liked the TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles" I bet she will like this one too!
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Old March 11 2009, 08:24 PM   #4
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

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It might not be a bad idea to try showing her episodes that feature cast from the original series: McCoy's cameo in "Encounter at Farpoint", Spock in "Unification Pt. 1 and 2", Scotty in "Relics", Sarek in "Sarek" or Kirk in Generations.

It provides a familiar bridge while also showing off a cast that might be unfamiliar to her.
Also you could show her the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations". It could be the perfect thing to show her to introduce her to a new crew but with them taking part in an actual TOS episode! If she liked the TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles" I bet she will like this one too!
Good call. Same could be said with the Voyager episode "Flashback" with Sulu.
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Old March 11 2009, 08:33 PM   #5
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

I know how difficult this kind of situation can be, I'm a Niner who once went out with a Voyager fan who thought that DS9 was boring. I should have known that it was not meant to be.

What episodes of TOS does she like? There are many episodes of the later series which are similar to the original episodes so you could find out some of her favourites and then find episodes like those in the newer shows.

Trials and Tribbleations is always good for a laugh though. Not only does it have the original cast and ship, but it also has some terrific DS9 banter that could show her how good the writing on that show could be.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:09 PM   #6
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What episodes of TOS does she like? Thereare many episodes of the later series which are similar to the original episodes so you could find out some of her favourites and then find episodes like those in the newer shows.
Hey thanks for the suggestions everyone. I think she likes especially Arena, Amok Time, the City on the Edge of Forever, Errand of Mercy, and the Naked Time. Somehow she's into the cheesy old TOS ones but doesn't like the cheesy new ones. Maybe it's a sixties thing.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:13 PM   #7
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Doesn't like anything but TOS? Marry her, and I mean fast. She obviously has wonderful tastes.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:18 PM   #8
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Question: Do you love her? Then it shouldn't matter. It's called UNCONDITIONAL love for a reason. Any perceived dealbreakers, and it's not real. My wife is nowhere near the geek I am. She's very loving and supportive, but would never be caught dead at a convention with me. And, frankly, I'd never marry anyone who shared ALL my tastes. My 11 years with her and two beautiful children shows that you don't have to have a full blown geek mate like that dentist in the first Trekkies movie to be in a loving relationship. Personally, watching them gave me a combination of pity and little disgust. No piece of fiction shoud be the foundation of a relationship. And before you throw out the "Oh you don't know what their lives are like" argument or say "The filmakerrs misrepresented them", you look at their office and tell me it's not disturbing.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:28 PM   #9
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

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Question: Do you love her? Then it shouldn't matter. It's called UNCONDITIONAL love for a reason. Any perceived dealbreakers, and it's not real. My wife is nowhere near the geek I am. She's very loving and supportive, but would never be caught dead at a convention with me. And, frankly, I'd never marry anyone who shared ALL my tastes. My 11 years with her and two beautiful children shows that you don't have to have a full blown geek mate like that dentist in the first Trekkies movie to be in a loving relationship. Personally, watching them gave me a combination of pity and little disgust. No piece of fiction shoud be the foundation of a relationship. And before you throw out the "Oh you don't know what their lives are like" argument or say "The filmakerrs misrepresented them", you look at their office and tell me it's not disturbing.
Yeah, the people in Trekkies were just embarrassing.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:30 PM   #10
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

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Question: Do you love her? Then it shouldn't matter. It's called UNCONDITIONAL love for a reason. Any perceived dealbreakers, and it's not real. My wife is nowhere near the geek I am. She's very loving and supportive, but would never be caught dead at a convention with me. And, frankly, I'd never marry anyone who shared ALL my tastes. My 11 years with her and two beautiful children shows that you don't have to have a full blown geek mate like that dentist in the first Trekkies movie to be in a loving relationship. Personally, watching them gave me a combination of pity and little disgust. No piece of fiction shoud be the foundation of a relationship. And before you throw out the "Oh you don't know what their lives are like" argument or say "The filmakerrs misrepresented them", you look at their office and tell me it's not disturbing.
Yeah I'm sure we'll work it out, DS9 or no DS9. Maybe we should get married at the Trek Experience when it reopens.
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Old March 11 2009, 09:36 PM   #11
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Yeah, the people in Trekkies were just embarrassing.
I thought the dentist was all right. He's been more gainfully employed than Denise Crosby.

True, the Clinton juror was crazy, but the rest seemed mostly in touch with reality, and I also wonder how much they all hammed it up for the camera.
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Old March 11 2009, 10:22 PM   #12
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Re: Fiancee a TOS fan but doesn't like TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterpris

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My fiancee likes TOS a lot, but she doesn't really care for any of the other shows. I don't think she's watched any of them. I never considered myself a big Enterprise or Voyager fan, but I'd like to watch some other Star Trek other than TOS.

What are your favorite episodes from these series? the best introductions to someone new to the spin-offs? Overall I guess I prefer good stories and/or hard sci-fi.

Already know BOBW, All good things, Yesterday's enterprise, Measure of a man from TNG... other than those, ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Well this sounds a lot like me..except I like all Tos ep's and not just a few! I do feel a little guilty about not really watching the other Treks...I did stick with the next gen for awhile but they lost me pretty early on. So if I was to purchase a newer trek dvd set...which one do you think I should get? Remember I'm fiercely loyal to TOS and the crew....so what are the recommendations ?
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Old March 11 2009, 11:48 PM   #13
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In your case and the OP's, I'd personally recommend going with DS9. Let me remark that DS9 is easily my favorite incarnation, so I'm all biased towards it . It is followed by TOS, with the other shows far behind.

With that out of the way, there's a reason I'd recommend DS9 to somebody who loves TOS. I honestly feel it's next gen Trek series that is most closely related to TOS. It may not seem that way at first glance, but what I'm getting at is that I've always felt it was produced very much in the same 'spirit' as TOS.
What I mean is that it had a similar way of dealing with its characters, letting them play off each other, care about each other but also fiercely disagree in some situations. It also had a similar approach IMHO in that it would take 'good' people and confront them with really tough choices that would not always allow an easy answer, that would test what it meant to be 'good'.

For what it's worth, I'd also add that the writers and producers on DS9 were self-proclaimed TOS fans. And I think this shines through in the "Trials- and Tribble-Ations" episode which really is a tribute to Star Trek and TOS in particular. I also think it shows how well the DS9 characters fit in with the world of TOS, as I was trying to indicate further up.

I suppose one question would be: What is the best starting point? I'd always recommend watching from the start, but DS9's first season is arguably its weakest even though it has some standouts, "Emissary" and "Duet" in particular.
It might be worth watching "Emissary" to get an idea where the characters are coming from and then move on to standout episodes such as "The Visitor", "Call to Arms" or "In the Pale Moonlight".

Just my two cents.
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Old March 12 2009, 12:42 AM   #14
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My fiancee likes TOS a lot, but she doesn't really care for any of the other shows.
Good for her! <ducks>
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Old March 12 2009, 12:46 AM   #15
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I have a slightly off topic question. Since your fiancee likes TOS is she excited for the new movie? Also does she like the movies for TOS crew or just the show? Just am curious!
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