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Old March 21 2009, 07:20 AM   #301
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Re: Battlestar Galactica Series Finale: "Daybreak, Part II"

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^ The Colony was supposed to be destroyed - there were explosions and Galactica did jump with part of itself in their hull so it'd probably cause some damage. We do know that at least two basestars escaped because they were mentioned in Part 1.
Huh? Part 1? Escape from what? Nothing happened in part 1.
If you listen to the briefing in part one they mention two Basestars jumping away from the Colony. We didn't see anything fighting Galactica but the Colony so we know that at least two Basestars survived.
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I smell room for a sequel, heh

I wish they'd make some direct to DVD movies like Stargate is doing
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Old March 21 2009, 07:22 AM   #303
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I smell room for a sequel, heh

I wish they'd make some direct to DVD movies like Stargate is doing
I think that Larsen still has the film rights.
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Old March 21 2009, 07:24 AM   #304
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^ The Colony was supposed to be destroyed - there were explosions and Galactica did jump with part of itself in their hull so it'd probably cause some damage. We do know that at least two basestars escaped because they were mentioned in Part 1.
Huh? Part 1? Escape from what? Nothing happened in part 1.
If you listen to the briefing in part one they mention two Basestars jumping away from the Colony. We didn't see anything fighting Galactica but the Colony so we know that at least two Basestars survived.
What was the point of that I wonder?
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Old March 21 2009, 07:25 AM   #305
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Huh? Part 1? Escape from what? Nothing happened in part 1.
If you listen to the briefing in part one they mention two Basestars jumping away from the Colony. We didn't see anything fighting Galactica but the Colony so we know that at least two Basestars survived.
What was the point of that I wonder?
The two baseships were docked where Galactica jumped in.
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Old March 21 2009, 07:25 AM   #306
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We never learned why out of millions of Cylon humanoids on Earth why were those Five chosen.
This one we know. The Five rediscovered the technology. Anders explicitly said this in "No Exit".
But they didn't re-invent the technology until after the entitites appeared to them and warned them of the coming holocaust.

But that just means that the entities appeared to them because they were the ones who could escape Earth. There wasn't any suggestion that the entities started them on the path towards resurrection technology.
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If you listen to the briefing in part one they mention two Basestars jumping away from the Colony. We didn't see anything fighting Galactica but the Colony so we know that at least two Basestars survived.
What was the point of that I wonder?
The two baseships were docked where Galactica jumped in.
So it was out of necessity for the battle plan, I doubt they even considered the broader implications of there still being Cylons out there.
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Old March 21 2009, 07:27 AM   #308
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What was the point of that I wonder?
The two baseships were docked where Galactica jumped in.
So it was out of necessity for the battle plan, I doubt they even considered the broader implications of there still being Cylons out there.
Probably not.
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Old March 21 2009, 07:39 AM   #309
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I didn't read all the posts.. but i have to say I don't think they were supposed to or asked to frak the locals. They were sent out to frak each other! Saying they were going to breed with the locals was a joke.. a bad one but no truth to it. Cause i think they would be grossed out by that too.

but that i JMO

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Old March 21 2009, 07:50 AM   #310
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Excellent!

Just finished watching and still processing it. I'll write a longer review later but just some quick points right now based on recent discussions.

I was satisfied with the answers that we were given. I was satisfied both with the amount of answers and the specific answers themselves.

The general conclusion, all in all, was what I expected. I had speculated in several threads that we'd get the the happiest ending that was reasonably possible, settling a planet and living a subsistence living unharried by Cavil's forces. That's exactly what we got! However, finding the Earth already populated with humans devalued the fleet's struggles in my mind. The fleet could've been destroyed and humanity would've survived just fine.

Yeah, as Lee said, they could give them language and what not, but they would've developed that on their own as it was. Hera's DNA was important but again it would've happened on its own (as it actually did in real history). So, in the end, the survivors in the fleet bought their own personal existences which, while important to themselves, was not crucial to the survival of humanity.

I feel that the flashbacks were unnecessary but they didn't really detract. On the one hand, they fleshed out the characters a bit and were kind of interesting. On the other hand, that shouldn't have been necessary this late in the game and they sort of distracted from the ongoing action. I'm neutral about them.

So, the third party was god and the head characters are angels. Ok, I can live with that. Not my prefered answers but fine. I think the early characterization of head Six were not consistent with their goal as revealed in the finale, to safely deliver Hera. Obviously the writers changed their minds over the course of the series. I guess that's fine and, in the end, that was the most important task to accomplish.

I did not buy that the Galactica would've survived ramming the colony. Given its weakened state, it would've crumpled. Shoot, vehicles that ram a larger more solid structure get crumpled even when their infrastructure is intact.

Subsistence living is hard, hard work. I think at least half the colonists would've died in the first several years on the surface of the Earth. The natives would not necessarily be friendly. And, sending the whole fleet into the sun was a mistake.

So, the Earth they settled is our Earth. I predicted that awhile ago, despite definitive claims by some posters that it couldn't be. And, the music notes were a star map. Cool.

I was undewhelmed by the Opera house revelation. No biggie really and would've rather just skipped that altogether, throughout the series. It was just a distraction.

I felt bad for Lee at the end. His Dad and Starbuck gone. Why was it a foregone conclusion that he wouldn't see his Dad again? The resolution to their relationship was a little weak given the large role it has played throughout the series.

I was glad that Roslin got to see the Earth.

All in all, the final five were not that important. Except for Anders who was crucial. Good thing he got shot and put into that coma or else they all would've been sunk on that rescue mission! Lucky! The other 4 I guess at least slowed the assualt down by downloading the resurrection technology until they got into a tiff, par for the course for this series!

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I didn't read all the posts.. but i have to say I don't think they were supposed to or asked to frak the locals. They were sent out to frak each other! Saying they were going to breed with the locals was a joke.. a bad one but no truth to it. Cause i think they would be grossed out by that too.

but that i JMO

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Nope, Cottle says their DNA is compatible for breeding. Besides, there aren't nearly enough colonials left for a proper gene pool in dozens of camps around the globe.

The implications is that human genes were introduced into proto-humans on Earth at that time and that's when the human race as we know it on earth began.
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This one we know. The Five rediscovered the technology. Anders explicitly said this in "No Exit".
But they didn't re-invent the technology until after the entitites appeared to them and warned them of the coming holocaust.

But that just means that the entities appeared to them because they were the ones who could escape Earth. There wasn't any suggestion that the entities started them on the path towards resurrection technology.
No, the Five only started working on resurrection technology after the entities appeared to them. There was no reason for the Five to work on resurrection technology. They could procreate and that was why the technlogy of resurrection fell away. With the impending disaster they had to get it up and going again. That's how I took it anyway.
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This wasn't addressed in the episode, but I feel that the Centurion Baseship could easily have jumped back to the 13th Colony Earth and picked up D'Anna and brought her to Our Earth. At least so she wouldn't have to live on a nuked planet alone, and instead could live with her Cylon skinjob siblings.
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This wasn't addressed in the episode, but I feel that the Centurion Baseship could easily have jumped back to the 13th Colony Earth and picked up D'Anna and brought her to Our Earth. At least so she wouldn't have to live on a nuked planet alone, and instead could live with her Cylon skinjob siblings.
It's likely she was probably already dead from the radiation.
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A "doesn't like to be called that"-damned travesty.

I voted below average only for the hour and twenty minutes before it went from awesome to suck in the time it took for Earth to rise over the moon.

I cannot believe people are buying this.

The good

Bitchin' space battle.

Aaron Doral gets a line! Seriously, I thought he'd been downgraded to extra pay.

The Opera House thing was done well.

However temporarily, Caprica and Baltar seeing their virtual twins was sweet.

The bad

Flashbacks of pointless if sometimes faintly (very faintly) interesting crap. Lee needs to learn to close his windows.

Athena shooting Boomer. Yeah, this is purely personal taste, but I wanted Boomer to live or at least go out a martyr--not executed without trial, not put down like a damned dog. Athena: murderer.

Tyrol gets a downgrade from poor decisionmaker to complete retard, surpassing his fuckup from a few weeks ago with a fuck up that dooms two civilizations to extinction. You couldn't have waited five minutes to kill her--you know, until the genocide was averted? And no one even gets mad at him for it? Tyrol: manslaughterer. And an idiot.

Unfortunately, an end to the cycle of violence was thrown away when Tyrol between Cavil-Cylons and the Humans and Rebel-Cylons was thrown away by Tyrol's inability to control himself. Dean Stockwell, as always, was great. I wanted Cavil to get his wish. He just wanted to grow and to evolve. It's not his fault he's trapped with the emotional capabilities of a precocious but disturbed child and in the filthy body of a human being. Cavil: suicide? (That was weird.)

Now, on to the Cylon home-colony, which is apparently many hundreds of cubic kilometers in volume and possibly larger... and it's broken into bits by the nukes from one Raptor? And if it really is that easy, why didn't the Rebel Cylons do it a year ago? Racetrack: perpetrator of genocide.

The Ugly

The "angels" turn out to be angels.

"God" turns out to be God.

The visions turn out to be visions.

Hera turns out to be a... little girl?

And Starbuck turns out to not be real. Despite the fact she's able to kill people and shoot Centurions and...

and...

Now let's hold it right here. A figment of everyone's imagination shot people during the mutiny, shot Centurions on the Cylon colony, can lift stuff... now there's a reason solipsism isn't really viable as a concept. The reason is that in when what you see and what reality is don't match up, you die. If I try to walk down a flight of stairs and all I see is a level floor, I fall down each step and break my neck on the bottom. If I am in a firefight, and the person next to me is not real, and I am only taking it on faith that what she is killing is actually dead, I am going to be perforated the first time I turn my back on a corpse that is actually alive.

But I guess in BSG fake bullets make real holes, because they're the will of God. Too bad God, who can interact physically with the real world, thought it would be awesome to watch billions die. Great guy, God.

So, after they destroy civilization, it turns out All Along the Watchtower is... coordinates. For Earth. Sent by...

Right, sent by God.

And the ending? I mean, the establishment of the humans on Earth... with the humans of Earth... I liked it better when it was called Restaurant at the End of the Universe but that's because that book was a Goddamn comedy and not a pretentious science fiction drama too full of itself to answer its own questions.

Real answers, not answers that boil down to "because it is" (or rather, because "I am because I am").

And finally, and this is where I was truly lost here, because everything else I might have stomached:

Lee Adama, the snake in the garden of Eden. But this time, the snake says "Don't eat from the tree of knowledge, it's not good for you."

Here's a man who thinks it's a good idea to not build a city, to abandon technology, to start humanity afresh... and that we know for a fact, because it is our Earth, consigns hundreds of billions of human progeny to squalor, misery, pestilence, and holocaust. Lee Adama creates Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Lee Adama has the opportunity to build Heaven and casts the human race and all its children into a Hell that they'll dig themselves out of only in time to build its first Cylons... and they won't know that their days are numbered if they make the mistake of treating them as slaves, because Lee Adama in his infinite fucking wisdom destroyed history.

And thirty thousand people go along with this? Really?

Let's jut leave aside the fact of how this is different from New Caprica... I guess every basestar in the Cylon fleet has been destroyed... because God willed it or something.

Whatever.

This finale, I'm truly--truly--sorry to say it, sucked. It is the BSG finale we might have expected if Ronald Moore had said, "I'm out of ideas"--and handed it to Brannon Braga. You know, I take that back.

It's insulting to Brannon Braga.


Your thoughts perfectly sum up my feelings towards this episode, especially the whole bit on Starbuck.

I sort of wanted to give the episode a score of Poor, but decided on Below Average because I thought I was being too harsh. I fear though that my opinion of the episode, and how the series as a whole ended its run, will not change much over time.

So yeah, I probably should have just stuck with Poor...
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