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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old March 18 2009, 04:28 AM   #1
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Geordi's Vision Between INS and NEM

Forgive me if this has been dealt with before, but a conversation with a fellow fan about "Insurrection" reminded me that Geordi's eyes regenerate due to the planet's properties. However, if I remember correctly, he has cybernetic eyes again in "Nemesis."

It's been a while since I have seen both films, so can anyone shed some light on this? Are we supposed to assume that, in terms of an in universe explanation, his eyes deteriorated once the Enterprise left the Briar Patch? Or did the writers and producers just screw up? Or, are my friend and I misremembering the details?
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Old March 18 2009, 05:07 AM   #2
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Re: Geordi's Vision Between INS and NEM

In INS, Geordi said "It probably won't last."
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Old March 18 2009, 11:26 AM   #3
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One might argue that the phenomenon in ST:INS did not so much "cure old age" as it very locally "reversed time". That would nicely jibe with how the locals can manipulate the perception of time, apparently making themselves go faster so that the universe seems to slow down in comparison.

So Picard's neck might grow younger, and LaForge's eyes might do that as well - but the effect would be completely reversible once people departed the region of influence of those fancy metaphasic rings. Indeed, perhaps prolonged exposure to the effect might actually be harmful, as parts of your body grew younger and others grew older? Perhaps only lifelong exposure, or then no exposure at all, would be tolerable? This would explain why nothing ever came out of the Ba'ku planet, why no wars were fought over it, and why the planet does not come up in ST:NEM discussions even though one major theme of that movie is aging.

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Old March 18 2009, 01:33 PM   #4
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In INS, Geordi said "It probably won't last."
If I was Geordi whenever I took shoreleave or a vacation I would go to the Baku planet! Not only is it a beautiful place but every vacation he took he would get eyesight too!
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Old March 18 2009, 01:54 PM   #5
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Then again, for LaForge to go from VISOR to eyesight would be akin to a decathlon world champion going quadriplegic.

Then again, many people on holiday consider it virtue to be quadriplegic on a sunny beach...

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Old March 18 2009, 02:59 PM   #6
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Re: Geordi's Vision Between INS and NEM

Thank you for the replies everyone! I completely forgot Geordi said "it probably won't last." All your insights and comments are appreciated!
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Old March 19 2009, 03:39 AM   #7
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Re: Geordi's Vision Between INS and NEM

I wrote a story for the Strange New Worlds contest set a few weeks after ST: Insurrection where, durin' a rescue mission, Geordi's eyes were damaged and he was forced to go back to usin' the ocular implants to explain why he had 'em in ST: Nemesis.

I got a "very well written" note from the editor, but I didn't get in the anthology.
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Old March 19 2009, 04:44 AM   #8
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I wrote a story for the Strange New Worlds contest set a few weeks after ST: Insurrection where, durin' a rescue mission, Geordi's eyes were damaged and he was forced to go back to usin' the ocular implants to explain why he had 'em in ST: Nemesis.

I got a "very well written" note from the editor, but I didn't get in the anthology.
That sounds cool! Too bad it wasn't published.
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Old March 21 2009, 01:21 AM   #9
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What if he simply had normal vision for awhile, then decided he'd rather have his cyber-vision restored?
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Old March 23 2009, 02:52 AM   #10
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Then again, for LaForge to go from VISOR to eyesight would be akin to a decathlon world champion going quadriplegic.
Not necessarily. Just because Geordi's VISOR is able to provide him with more data than biological eyes doesn't necessarily mean he would find it preferable. He seemed to enjoy the experience of having "regular" sight quite a bit. And, as was alluded to by Data in "The Measure of A Man," we don't see tons of Starfleet officers voluntarily choosing to have their biological eyes replaced with cybernetic implants, even though that should certainly be doable. I suspect that "real" vision would still be considered by most to preferable to the VISOR, even though you can do more with the latter.
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Old March 23 2009, 03:17 PM   #11
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But LaForge has refused "real vision" several times already (beginning with the second season of TNG where Pulaski came aboard and casually told him that it wouldn't be that big a deal - apparently, Crusher and the docs previously working on LaForge had all been hopeless hacks), and has spoken positively of the VISOR except on the issue of the pain it causes.

Sure, he enjoys the occasional holiday from his "supervision". But he doesn't seem to want to lose his superpowers completely and for good.

It's fun to have at least one guy in the crew who isn't completely opposed to what the Borg do... Unlike Picard, who has an artificial heart because he must, LaForge has artificial eyes because he wants to.

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Old March 25 2009, 01:39 AM   #12
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I really liked how Geordi's ocular implants looked in the movies -- certainly better than the "banana comb" he wore in the series, which obscured his expressive eyes. Somewhat off topic, I wonder if there are any Aenar, in Starfleet or not, with the same kind of ocular implants. -- RR
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Old March 25 2009, 01:42 AM   #13
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Something I wondered about - did his cybernetic eyes just pop out one morning when his "real" eyes grew?
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Old March 25 2009, 04:12 AM   #14
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Re: Geordi's Vision Between INS and NEM

They were never really clear on what the ocular implants were, though the fact that he regained the use of his "real" eyes in Insurrection suggests they might have been like a contact lens — something that fits over his own eyes and interfaces with his brain similar to the VISOR — rather than an actual replacement for the organ (e.g. Steve Austin).

I think there's a line in his scene with Picard on the Ba'ku planet where he mentions Dr. Crusher removing the implants, so again, I'm thinking high-tech contacts.
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Old March 26 2009, 02:04 AM   #15
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^ Makes sense to me.
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