Romulans Or Remans? (May Be Spoilers?)

[Therin of Andor]

miraclefan wrote:

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^Good point, I never thought of that!, but wait a sec, didn't Spock where a cloak and hood when he was in public? Or am I remembering that wrong?

Then why didn't he just get plastic surgery before arriving on Romulus?

The Romulan helmets seen on TOS were hiding many a ridged forehead. Maybe when the Romulans left Vulcan, most of them were of the ridged type?

[The Wormhole]

miraclefan wrote:

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^Good point, I never thought of that!, but wait a sec, didn't Spock where a cloak and hood when he was in public? Or am I remembering that wrong?

No, he walked around the streets of Romulus, ate soup in the restauraunts and was even seen in the recording at the beginning of part 1 with his forehead for all to see.

[miraclefan]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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Then why didn't he just get plastic surgery before arriving on Romulus?
The Romulan helmets seen on TOS were hiding many a ridged forehead. Maybe when the Romulans left Vulcan, most of them were of the ridged type?

^Good point on the ''Plastic Surgery''.Maybe the Vulcans that left vulcan were the more ''AGGRESSIVE'' type, thus the Ridges?

The Wormhole wrote:

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No, he walked around the streets of Romulus, ate soup in the restauraunts and was even seen in the recording at the beginning of part 1 with his forehead for all to see.

My mistake, I havent seen that episode in years!

[martin]

I liked the ridges, it gave them a more menacing look, and gave a slight distinctions between the Vulcans and the Romulans, without looking radically different.

[miraclefan]

martin wrote:

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I liked the ridges, it gave them a more menacing look, and gave a slight distinctions between the Vulcans and the Romulans, without looking radically different.

I did too, but I get the feeling the new ''guys'' in charge want to be as (FAR AWAY) from previous TREK as possible!( I don't blame them, can you?)

[I am not Spock]

This time, they've distinguished the Vulcans from the Romulans by having them be as bald as coots, rather than possessing forehead ridges.

I love it how the powers that be think their audience are so stupid, they can't tell a passionate aggressive race from a logical restrained one.

[miraclefan]

^Ya Hollyweird thinks ''EVERYBODY'' but them(Hollyweird) are stupid inbreed idiot's who will do anything Hollyweird tells them to do.

[Hyperspace05]

martin wrote:

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I liked the ridges, it gave them a more menacing look, and gave a slight distinctions between the Vulcans and the Romulans, without looking radically different.

Nah, I *never* liked the "ridged" Romulans... It really detracts from the point that Vulcans and Romulans are the *same* species. Plus it looks stupid.

But then again, both Vulcans and Rumulans were botched in TNG and later series. (Vulcan makeup plus bowl cut, Rumulan ridges plus bowl cut)

[cooleddie74]

martin wrote:

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I liked the ridges, it gave them a more menacing look, and gave a slight distinctions between the Vulcans and the Romulans, without looking radically different.

Although it makes one wonder how the heck such a noticeable cranial evolutionary development happened in less than 2,000 years' time. The Vulcan Reformation and rebellion of those who went off to form the Romulan race happens barely two millennia before the TREK franchise. Hard to see how new skulls develop that quickly.

[Neutrino]

cooleddie74 wrote:

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Although it makes one wonder how the heck such a noticeable cranial evolutionary development happened in less than 2,000 years' time. The Vulcan Reformation and rebellion of those who went off to form the Romulan race happens barely two millennia before the TREK franchise. Hard to see how new skulls develop that quickly.

It's possible that Vulcan physiology is so different that their bodies adapt and evolve faster than that of Humans. I think it's possible that in only 2000 years on Romulus they evolved the head ridges. I mean just look how fast the Vulcans who went to Remus evolved into those grotesque beings.

There's absolutely no good reason why the Human/Earth evolutionary process has any basis on the evolutionary process of alien races.

[miraclefan]

^Wait a minute, weren't the Remens ''native'' to remus?

[Neutrino]

The dissident Vulcans who left Vulcan 2000 years previous apparently took residence on both worlds, by looking at the ears of the Remans in Nemesis it would appear they have Vulcan/Romulan ears.

[cooleddie74]

Neutrino wrote:

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It's possible that Vulcan physiology is so different that their bodies adapt and evolve faster than that of Humans. I think it's possible that in only 2000 years on Romulus they evolved the head ridges. I mean just look how fast the Vulcans who went to Remus evolved into those grotesque beings.

There's absolutely no good reason why the Human/Earth evolutionary process has any basis on the evolutionary process of alien races.

True and fair enough. But when you're raised to think of most things logically and scientifically things like this stick out, even in science fiction where ANYTHING frequently goes.

[Neutrino]

cooleddie74 wrote:

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True and fair enough. But when you're raised to think of most things logically and scientifically things like this stick out,

I think our current understanding of evolution is still very much in it's infancy and we only have Earth based lifeforms to base our understanding of evolution on. There's nothing illogical about alien species from other worlds having a form of evolution either slower or faster than ours.

[Therin of Andor]

cooleddie74 wrote:

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Although it makes one wonder how the heck such a noticeable cranial evolutionary development happened in less than 2,000 years' time. The Vulcan Reformation and rebellion of those who went off to form the Romulan race happens barely two millennia before the TREK franchise. Hard to see how new skulls develop that quickly.

We know that the proto Vulcans of Mintaka ("Who Watches the Watchers?") also have ridges. So, on ancient Vulcan, all Vulcans had ridges. Some gradually developed smoother foreheads, dividing the populace. Perhaps as tensions mounted, the mostly-smooth foreheads sided with Surak, developing their mental powers - and the mostly-ridged foreheads, accused of being more "primitive", planned their exodus.

The "Vulcan's Soul" trilogy of books further speculates that one group of the escaping future-Romulans were irradiated in an accident en route, and when they reached Romulus and Remus, these members bonded with an alien entity in order to survive on harsh Remus, becoming the Remans, complete with ridges and independently tapping into mental powers, leaving the Romulans (some ridged, some smooth) still without psi powers. During TOS we saw smooth foreheaded Romulans in charge - and lowly soldiers wearing helmets that conveniently covered their ridged foreheads.