So the timeline changes when

ElCap? · March 14 2009, 10:43 PM

Nero travels back in time to when Kirk was first born, which was on board the USS kelvin and Nero destroys the ship in hopes of killing Kirk to change the timeline but instead when Nero destroys USS Kelvin, Kirk's parents are killed but Kirk survives and the timeline is changed anyway

So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

Admiral Buzzkill · March 14 2009, 10:52 PM

ElCap? wrote:

So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

Guess they won't be restoring the "canon" timeline then.

ElCap? · March 14 2009, 10:58 PM

Starship Polaris wrote:

ElCap? wrote:

So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

Guess they won't be restoring the "canon" timeline then.

Well doesn't Old Spock travel back in time to the 23rd century because he knows the timeline has been changed and he attempts to stop Nero from changing the timeline but does Old Spock even know when and how the timeline has been changed?

Therin of Andor · March 14 2009, 11:00 PM

ElCap? wrote:

So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

We don't know. I have a feeling Spock will be attempting to do a repair, but we don't know if he's completely succesful.

Have you ever seen "Yesteryear"? Spock repairs the timeline in that TAS episode, and is seemingly successful but, in fact, the timeline is not restored to its exact form. In the original timeline, Young Spock's pet sehlat lived. In the restored timeline, I-chaya died saving Spock from the lematya. He's managed to save his younger self from dying in the desert, his parents marriage, and prevent his mother from dying in a lunar shuttle accident, but the premature death of a pet is declared a timeline change he shall have to live with, for the better good.

The Academic · March 14 2009, 11:20 PM

ElCap? wrote:

Nero travels back in time to when Kirk was first born, which was on board the USS kelvin and Nero destroys the ship in hopes of killing Kirk to change the timeline but instead when Nero destroys USS Kelvin, Kirk's parents are killed but Kirk survives and the timeline is changed anyway

So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

I very much fear that what we know, what we don't know and what we think we know might be three completely different things...

USS Mariner · March 14 2009, 11:25 PM

Personally, I'd argue that the beginning of the film begins in an "alternate" universe from the get go, given how little resemblance the Kelvin bears to either the NX-01 or the 1701.

Perhaps it's just a visual reboot, and the events prior to (and after) Nero's interference would remain unchanged, but given how slavishly that the prior productions emulated TOS's look when they dealt with it's time period, I'd still argue that it's another timeline (technically.)

Admiral Buzzkill · March 15 2009, 12:07 AM

I'd argue that the beginning of the film begins in the Star Trek universe, because of how closely the Kelvin resembles virtually every other "Starfleet" ship we've ever seen - including the NX-01 and the 1701.

JuanBolio · March 15 2009, 12:12 AM

We don't know the Nero was intent on killing Kirk. He seems to have more of a beef with Spock than anything else. The destruction of the Kelvin might've been incidental.

USS Mariner · March 15 2009, 12:12 AM

Clever use of the film title, Dennis.

miraclefan · March 15 2009, 12:26 AM

USS Mariner wrote:

Personally, I'd argue that the beginning of the film begins in an "alternate" universe from the get go, given how little resemblance the Kelvin bears to either the NX-01 or the 1701.

Perhaps it's just a visual reboot, and the events prior to (and after) Nero's interference would remain unchanged, but given how slavishly that the prior productions emulated TOS's look when they dealt with it's time period, I'd still argue that it's another timeline (technically.)

I don't know if you were being ''sarcastic'' but I think the Kelvin is very much a decendent of the NX-Class, it has a Saucer, Nacelle, Deflector dish,

plus it's weapons ''pop-out'' like the NX-01's! Oh and Polaris, I like your ''Dr.Stewie'' Avatar!

The Wormhole · March 15 2009, 12:43 AM

It would seem the timeline changes with the destruction of the Kelvin and the death of Captain Robau. After all, you kill someone that badass, the ramifications to the timeline are going to be extreme.

All Seeing Eye · March 15 2009, 12:57 AM

The time line obviously scures off into another tangent

when the Kelvin is destroyed, the Star Trek Universe we're aware of (which includes TNG DS9 and VOY etc) still exists but Spock has now disappeared from that particular timeline and universe and exists now instead in an alternate universe created by his own time travelling.

Therefore the new movie is not the same Trek universe we've grown up with but is a completely new one where anything is now possible.

The explanation given for the movie would seem to indicate that whenever time travel has occured in Trek we've been introduced to new timelines and universes. The resulting new timelines have always been kept the same however thanks to our heroes sorting out the problems. So in First Contact the Borg and Ent-E created a new timeline but one that ended up following the same general path. In the new movie Spock has altered the timeline so drastically that there will be no rectifying it so this new timeline will be completely different from the one Spock came from.

Get me?

USS Excelsior · March 15 2009, 01:04 AM

Also the question is what causes the change in the technology and ship designs...

The Academic · March 15 2009, 01:07 AM

Tachyon Shield wrote:

The time line obviously scures off into another tangent

when the Kelvin is destroyed, the Star Trek Universe we're aware of (which includes TNG DS9 and VOY etc) still exists but Spock has now disappeared from that particular timeline and universe and exists now instead in an alternate universe created by his own time travelling.

Therefore the new movie is not the same Trek universe we've grown up with but is a completely new one where anything is now possible.

The explanation given for the movie would seem to indicate that whenever time travel has occured in Trek we've been introduced to new timelines and universes. The resulting new timelines have always been kept the same however thanks to our heroes sorting out the problems. So in First Contact the Borg and Ent-E created a new timeline but one that ended up following the same general path. In the new movie Spock has altered the timeline so drastically that there will be no rectifying it so this new timeline will be completely different from the one Spock came from.

Get me?

Got you. I've been carrying the same standard into battle for quite a while now...

M · March 15 2009, 01:16 AM

USS Excelsior wrote:

Also the question is what causes the change in the technology and ship designs...

The changes are only visual. It's a film made in 2009. That's all.

March 14 2009, 10:43 PM	#1
ElCap? Ensign	So the timeline changes when Nero travels back in time to when Kirk was first born, which was on board the USS kelvin and Nero destroys the ship in hopes of killing Kirk to change the timeline but instead when Nero destroys USS Kelvin, Kirk's parents are killed but Kirk survives and the timeline is changed anyway So the only way to restore the original canon timeline and stop Nero is to travel back in time to just before the USS Kelvin was destroyed and stop Nero and prevent him from destroying the Kelvin- is this right?

March 14 2009, 11:25 PM	#6
USS Mariner Rear Admiral Location: Homestate of Matt Jefferies	Re: So the timeline changes when Personally, I'd argue that the beginning of the film begins in an "alternate" universe from the get go, given how little resemblance the Kelvin bears to either the NX-01 or the 1701. Perhaps it's just a visual reboot, and the events prior to (and after) Nero's interference would remain unchanged, but given how slavishly that the prior productions emulated TOS's look when they dealt with it's time period, I'd still argue that it's another timeline (technically.) __________________ Ignorance is forgivable, Arrogance is reprehensible, Narcissism is intolerable. *Subspace Commns Network* ~ Visit Marinina!

March 15 2009, 12:07 AM	#7
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: So the timeline changes when I'd argue that the beginning of the film begins in the Star Trek universe, because of how closely the Kelvin resembles virtually every other "Starfleet" ship we've ever seen - including the NX-01 and the 1701. __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

March 15 2009, 12:12 AM	#8
JuanBolio Admiral Location: Florida Keys, USA	Re: So the timeline changes when We don't know the Nero was intent on killing Kirk. He seems to have more of a beef with Spock than anything else. The destruction of the Kelvin might've been incidental. __________________ Never fear! JuanBolio wuz here! This has been an official JuanBolio post. You are now stronger, smarter, and a better human being for having read it. Congratulations.

March 15 2009, 12:12 AM	#9
USS Mariner Rear Admiral Location: Homestate of Matt Jefferies	Re: So the timeline changes when Clever use of the film title, Dennis. __________________ Ignorance is forgivable, Arrogance is reprehensible, Narcissism is intolerable. *Subspace Commns Network* ~ Visit Marinina!

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March 15 2009, 12:43 AM	#11
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: So the timeline changes when It would seem the timeline changes with the destruction of the Kelvin and the death of Captain Robau. After all, you kill someone that badass, the ramifications to the timeline are going to be extreme. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

March 15 2009, 12:57 AM	#12
All Seeing Eye Admiral Location: The Astral Light Realms	Re: So the timeline changes when The time line obviously scures off into another tangent when the Kelvin is destroyed, the Star Trek Universe we're aware of (which includes TNG DS9 and VOY etc) still exists but Spock has now disappeared from that particular timeline and universe and exists now instead in an alternate universe created by his own time travelling. Therefore the new movie is not the same Trek universe we've grown up with but is a completely new one where anything is now possible. The explanation given for the movie would seem to indicate that whenever time travel has occured in Trek we've been introduced to new timelines and universes. The resulting new timelines have always been kept the same however thanks to our heroes sorting out the problems. So in First Contact the Borg and Ent-E created a new timeline but one that ended up following the same general path. In the new movie Spock has altered the timeline so drastically that there will be no rectifying it so this new timeline will be completely different from the one Spock came from. Get me?

March 15 2009, 01:04 AM	#13
USS Excelsior Fleet Captain Location: Alpha Quadrant	Re: So the timeline changes when Also the question is what causes the change in the technology and ship designs...