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Old March 19 2009, 03:31 AM   #1
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The Scout In Insurrection - What Was It?

They called it a scoutship although that term in Star Trek has usually referred to under-armed science vessels like the Oberth-class and Nova-class. The little ship in Insurrection was obviously some kind of tactical vessel. Just slightly larger than a Danube-class runabout, it packed a wallop. It's obviously not a Danube replacement becase it lacks the utility of that class. It looks like a purely tactical vessel. It even has a cockpit designed for a single pilot.

So what kind of role was this thing built for? I'm one of the "no fighters in Star Trek" people but this ship appears to be pretty-much that.
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Old March 19 2009, 03:42 AM   #2
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So what kind of role was this thing built for? I'm one of the "no fighters in Star Trek" people but this ship appears to be pretty-much that.
well they had fighters in Dominion War, so this scout is likely a continuation of those. A heavily armed scout.
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Old March 19 2009, 03:46 AM   #3
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I think maybe Eaves said something about it being like a micro-mini-DEFIANT ... it does have the cowled nacelles, doesn't it?
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Old March 19 2009, 03:57 AM   #4
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I think maybe Eaves said something about it being like a micro-mini-DEFIANT ... it does have the cowled nacelles, doesn't it?
That's sure what it looks like. I just don't see something so small doing much damage to a big ship unless there are a whole lot of them. And I would hate to pilot one of those things against something like a Galor-class because just one well-placed shot and you're done.
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Old March 19 2009, 04:33 AM   #5
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Re: The Scout In Insurrection - What Was It?

Background materials (and the movie itself) refer to it as the mission scoutship. It was probably just meant to be some sort of beefed up runabout for survey missions and courier missions during the Dominion War.
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Old March 19 2009, 04:50 AM   #6
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Background materials (and the movie itself) refer to it as the mission scoutship. It was probably just meant to be some sort of beefed up runabout for survey missions and courier missions during the Dominion War.
I would expect it to be very fast or very stealthy if that is the case. Either would make it a very interesting craft.
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Old March 19 2009, 05:47 AM   #7
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I think maybe Eaves said something about it being like a micro-mini-DEFIANT ... it does have the cowled nacelles, doesn't it?
That's sure what it looks like. I just don't see something so small doing much damage to a big ship unless there are a whole lot of them. And I would hate to pilot one of those things against something like a Galor-class because just one well-placed shot and you're done.
It can probably take a beating similar to an Aeroshuttle or runabout, meaning impressively tough for its size according to the Sternbach article (an Aeroshuttle lasted a few minutes on the run being shot up by a Vor'cha), but obviously not able to hang in a firefight like a full-scale starship.

However, Eaves' sketches appear to be indicating that the mission scoutship carries full-size torpedoes in two forward tubes and one aft one. (I am not sure if they are really "launchers" or just tubes for the torpedo to exit under its own power a la runabout module-based deployment systems.) As with the fighters and runabouts, the ability to carry full-size torpedoes means scouts like this could conceivably play a useful bomber-like role in fleet actions.

I am not sure how to estimate its warp performance. On the one hand, it appears to operate independently, but didn't look too comfortable and we must remember it was Data using this, who wouldn't need quite so much in the way of comfort and space as the rest of us. So I'm not sure it's designed for longer-term missions, like a runabout can handle. On the other hand, it is cramped in terms of pilot support but overall similar in size to a runabout and probably heavier, suggesting a power-packed ship with larger engine systems and possibly fuel reserves. On a third hand, however, it has the tucked-in warp nacelles that are supposed to result in a superior defensive envelope but inferior warp performance.

My personal guess was it was a craft with high warp performance over a short range but without great efficiency, used for scouting on an individual mission basis and not a true far-ranging "scout" in the sense we might sometimes hear the term. It has a dedicated nav deflector, heavier phaser armament than a runabout, and can carry probably something like six full-scale torpedoes or probes. I would estimate something like warp factor 6 for 12 hours, but an overall endurance notably inferior to that of a runabout; generally operated by one pilot only, it's much less versatile than a runabout but in the config I envision, would definitely be useful in a mission scout kind of role.

Finally, some have speculated that the registry on it does not necessarily mean it operates independently, and we can't be sure because there was no name. However, I think it is even less likely that a scout attached to a ship would not have the ship's name prominently displayed, as seems common for attached auxiliary craft. I do suspect it operates independently and may be named by the officer in charge, as Sisko seemed to have the ability to name runabouts; since Data was in charge of the thing, it may make a sort of sense that it was only "named" with its NCC number. (Perhaps we're lucky there is no gimme equivalent of "Spot" for ship names...or is there? We may also be lucky it was not named "Pinafore.")
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Old March 19 2009, 06:27 AM   #8
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JNG, I agree with your take on the subject. I'd also add that one might spot a slight difference in the runabout and Data's scout in that perhaps we should call the runabout a 'surveyor' and the scout, well, a 'scout.' The runabout is apparently capable of both relatively (for its size) long range and long term missions whereas the scoutship seems more like a super-fast, perhaps even longer range ship meant only to take a look around and return to base.
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Old March 19 2009, 06:58 AM   #9
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Re: The Scout In Insurrection - What Was It?

Oh, you mean the "VENTURE-CLASS" a.k.a. "TALON-CLASS" mission scout / courier? I'd place it in the range of a replacement/experiment, to see if it can do as well or better than the Peregrine-Class.
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Old March 19 2009, 09:13 AM   #10
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On the one hand, it appears to operate independently, but didn't look too comfortable and we must remember it was Data using this, who wouldn't need quite so much in the way of comfort and space as the rest of us.
We might also remember that the craft carried the registry NCC-75227 but no name. Perhaps that meant that it was an auxiliary to the starship NCC-75227? Granted that the names of the runabouts are writ awfully small, so as not to be visible in the average shot and preclude the use of stock footage - but this craft had no name at all, perhaps allowing for this special interpretation.

As for creature comforts, we only saw a tiny cockpit and some sort of a vertical access shaft aft of it. Yet the craft is very large in comparison with those interiors. Is the rest of the volume dedicated to inaccessible machinery (perhaps giving the craft significant capabilities beyond those of a shuttlecraft that has basically no machinery volume)? Or is there a secret passageway to comfortable berthing spaces somewhere?

Remember that the shuttlecraft seen in the movie suffers from the same thing: there's a cockpit but no doorway in or out. Is the aft section out of bounds for the crew? Yet there is a stern door on that shuttlecraft, so we might wish to insist that there was some sort of access to the cockpit from the rear, perhaps through habitable spaces.

The cargo shuttle that delivers the Argo / is half of Argo also suffers from only having a stern door. Perhaps this is a modern Starfleet design philosophy?

Even the runabout cockpits used to be hermetically sealed from the rear section in early DS9 - some sort of a computer console blocked the access. I recall a certain T. Weissmann (?) here doing excellent speculative blueprints on how that might work - on how the computer console might slide forward and back on rails to alternately block access to aft spaces in exchange for giving better access to the computer, and open up access while removing the computer from easy reach.

Some such weird rationalization could be used to allow the scoutcraft pilot to make use of the considerable aft volume of his or her craft, too. The craft does have what seems like a rectangular aft dorsal access hatch - and the round dorsal and ventral hatches that allowed Worf to board the scout are also situated farther aft than the interior set of the entry shaft would allow. So there probably does exist a connection from that shaft to the round and square hatches.

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