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Old March 10 2009, 02:11 AM   #91
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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The more interesting question: Which events of "Enterprise" did happen in this timeline? For example, the ENT episode "Regeneration" was a result of the events of "First Contact". So did the Enterprise-E and the Borg appear in 2063 in this timeline?
And "Q Who" was a result of the events of Regeneration. Its a fixed time loop.

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^^ That's OK... "The Future Boyhood Home of James T. Kirk" sounds just as good as "The Future Birthplace of James T. Kirk".

I wonder if Abrams will give a few dollars to the Riverside, IA chamber of commerce to help pay for changing all of those references to "Birthplace"?
The casino already does that.
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Old March 10 2009, 02:39 AM   #92
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I wish Enterprise would just go away.
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Old March 10 2009, 02:40 AM   #93
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I wish Enterprise would just go away.
Why? What did it do to you? Is it that hard to avoid it?
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Old March 10 2009, 02:42 AM   #94
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I wish Enterprise would just go away.
It did.
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Old March 10 2009, 02:43 AM   #95
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Out of all trek shows and films the one that should almost entirely be intact in this "film's universe" is Enterprise. Every other show movie and episode now is a complete and total blank canvas.
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Old March 10 2009, 02:48 AM   #96
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LOL, I find it somewhat hilarious that in JJs canon, ENT is the only previous Trek that happened!
Actually :

Orci: Everyone here respects and was inspired by what Trek was and this movie is in a unique situation where it is both a prequel, but a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to have happened.
While it is true all those Trek's did have to happen for the film pieces to get where they needed to go. But once the Narada goes back into time (near apparently the birth of Kirk) we enter a new quantum reality where all Trek's history that takes place after that point no longer exist.

Sure that, what should we call it? Prime quantum reality still exists, but for this film (and very likely any further ventures with this same group) everything beyond that point is a blank canvas.

And as such much (if not most) of Enterprise's history should be intact. It would be the only one.
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Old March 10 2009, 03:04 AM   #97
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I wish Enterprise would just go away.
It did.
Too true, sadly...
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Old March 10 2009, 03:10 AM   #98
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^^ That's OK... "The Future Boyhood Home of James T. Kirk" sounds just as good as "The Future Birthplace of James T. Kirk".

I wonder if Abrams will give a few dollars to the Riverside, IA chamber of commerce to help pay for changing all of those references to "Birthplace"?
what were his exact words to Gillian again? "I am from Earth, I only work in outer space"? or did he say "I was born here"? I've forgotten. if he was born on the Kelvin, it'd be a big canon booboo. but then so's the entire movie. oh well.
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Old March 10 2009, 05:13 AM   #99
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I thought he only arrived in the 'past' after Nero had already destroyed the Kelvin,
, and possibly San Francisco as well.
Why on Earth would you think that?

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^^ That's OK... "The Future Boyhood Home of James T. Kirk" sounds just as good as "The Future Birthplace of James T. Kirk".

I wonder if Abrams will give a few dollars to the Riverside, IA chamber of commerce to help pay for changing all of those references to "Birthplace"?
what were his exact words to Gillian again? "I am from Earth, I only work in outer space"? or did he say "I was born here"? I've forgotten. if he was born on the Kelvin, it'd be a big canon booboo. but then so's the entire movie. oh well.
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He can still be born in space, but if he's shipped from there back to Earth as an infant and grows up in Iowa, Iowa will be the earliest home he remembers. He'll be from Iowa. No problem.
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Old March 10 2009, 06:38 AM   #100
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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I thought he only arrived in the 'past' after Nero had already destroyed the Kelvin,
, and possibly San Francisco as well.
Why on Earth would you think that?
I haven't yet heard any reason not to.

As per all the reputable spoilers we've heard: Nero destroys the Kelvin, the planet, and attempts to do the same to San Fran. We have *seen* all those things happening, even if it's only in previews.

Spock arrives in the past to prevent any *further* changes; we don't yet have any reason to believe he could possibly prevent any of the damage that has already occurred.
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Old March 10 2009, 09:23 AM   #101
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A piece of wood, a mannequin, and a redneck walk into a bar...

..thus are born T'Pol... Archer... and Trip... according to some critics.
Not Chakoty...7of 9 ....and Paris?
Different Bar... Your thinking of the one with the Pole Dancing.

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I wish Enterprise would just go away.
It did.

But then It got Really Annoying and came roaring back as a set of DVD's!!

(Which I will finally finish collecting when I buy Season 4, with this years tax refund...)
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Old March 10 2009, 01:08 PM   #102
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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I thought he only arrived in the 'past' after Nero had already destroyed the Kelvin,
, and possibly San Francisco as well.
Why on Earth would you think that?

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what were his exact words to Gillian again? "I am from Earth, I only work in outer space"? or did he say "I was born here"? I've forgotten. if he was born on the Kelvin, it'd be a big canon booboo. but then so's the entire movie. oh well.
Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me, you're from outer space.
Kirk: No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space.
He can still be born in space, but if he's shipped from there back to Earth as an infant and grows up in Iowa, Iowa will be the earliest home he remembers. He'll be from Iowa. No problem.
not only that we know kirk spent some of his pre starfleet life out in space thanks to the conscience of the king.

hmm if there was one part of his past change it may be that he never made it to tarsus 4 as a youth.
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Old March 10 2009, 01:32 PM   #103
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Or maybe he did and it traumatised him so much he became a drunk in a bar.
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

Yes. ENTERPRISE is in the past of both TOS timelines. Abrams' "new" one...as well as the Classic. ENT happens eighty to 115 years before the 23rd century events in the new movie even with Nero's interference from the future and the tweaking of history. Doesn't Simon Pegg's Scotty even reference Archer and his dog Porthos once in the new film as a bone to the fans who liked that show?
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Old March 10 2009, 10:34 PM   #105
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The Kelvin attack happens as Jim Kirk is born, dating it at 2233, probably March 22 (Kirk's supposed birthday). Still well after the events of "Enterprise."
It just struck me....if James Tiberius Kirk is born on the Kelvin as it is being attacked by Nero, this movie probably won't go over too well in Riverside, Iowa.
Well...he still ends up LIVING there, doesn't he? Tourism saved!
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