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Old March 9 2009, 03:26 AM   #46
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I saw someone state earlier that there was a Consitution Class in ENT and it looked like the TOS and not JJ's (obviously). But surely you can just throw the words "time travel" and "parrell universe" in there and it's all settled .
I just say "New Movie/New Look" and all is settled
Yeah, that's what I always figured, too. And it's what I would have preferred. But Orci's statements seem to contradict this.
Well, to the extent that this is a prequel, the Enterprise should look pretty much like the 1966 version.

But then, maybe this is entirely something else.
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Old March 9 2009, 03:34 AM   #47
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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I saw someone state earlier that there was a Consitution Class in ENT and it looked like the TOS and not JJ's (obviously). But surely you can just throw the words "time travel" and "parrell universe" in there and it's all settled .
I just say "New Movie/New Look" and all is settled
Yeah, that's what I always figured, too. And it's what I would have preferred. But Orci's statements seem to contradict this.
Yeah -- I know where you're coming from...

But at WonderCon last week, Roberto Orci said:
"...it's both a prequel and a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to happen"

and Abrams said:
"The story adheres to canon pretty much as well as the original series adhered to canon."

and a few months ago, Orci said:
"Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move."

Maybe Orci thought he could appease fans by talking about quantum physics and such as a post facto non-in-film explanation for the differences in look, but didn't really mean that the altered timeline would completely change Trek history as we know it.

So I'm still holding out hope that this film will be a true prequel to TOS and NOT the first adventures of a ship called Enterprise in a parallel universe.
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Old March 9 2009, 03:47 AM   #48
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I just say "New Movie/New Look" and all is settled
Yeah, that's what I always figured, too. And it's what I would have preferred. But Orci's statements seem to contradict this.
Yeah -- I know where you're coming from...

But at WonderCon last week, Roberto Orci said:
"...it's both a prequel and a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to happen"

and Abrams said:
"The story adheres to canon pretty much as well as the original series adhered to canon."

and a few months ago, Orci said:
"Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move."

Maybe Orci thought he could appease fans by talking about quantum physics and such as a post facto non-in-film explanation for the differences in look, but didn't really mean that the altered timeline would completely change Trek history as we know it.

So I'm still holding out hope that this film will be a true prequel to TOS and NOT the first adventures of a ship called Enterprise in a parallel universe.

From your lips to the God's Of Trek ear's...
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Old March 9 2009, 03:58 AM   #49
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I would like to see ''or'' hear some mention of ENTERPRISE...
There will be references to all of the series, the filmmakers have said, including Enterprise.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:01 AM   #50
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I can't see how the time-period of 'Enterprise' (let's say 2150-2170 or so), would be affected by Nero arriving in the 2250s or whatever and destroying a ship. All of the events of the 'Enterprise' era had long since occurred.

What WOULD be in question is everything that occurs in the regular timeline after 2250 (or whenever the Kelvin is attacked). So that's all of TOS (plus films), TNG, DS9, VOY, and the TNG films.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:06 AM   #51
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So I'm still holding out hope that this film will be a true prequel to TOS and NOT the first adventures of a ship called Enterprise in a parallel universe.
You and me both. I, too, think Orci was just trying to appease the Trek fans who worry about the look of the Enterprise etc. But of course that is merely speculation on my part.

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From your lips to the God's Of Trek ear's...
Sorry, I know it's terribly terribly smartass to correct someone's spelling, but shouldn't it be to the God of Trek's ears?
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Old March 9 2009, 04:06 AM   #52
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The more interesting question: Which events of "Enterprise" did happen in this timeline? For example, the ENT episode "Regeneration" was a result of the events of "First Contact". So did the Enterprise-E and the Borg appear in 2063 in this timeline?
And then there's the entire "Temporal Cold War" which may or may not have happened
This may be *part* of the TCW. Who knows, Daniels' group may yet send operatives back to prevent Nero's birth or something.
Quite possible considering that (it was stated by Daniels) changes in the timeline do not have an immediate impact on the future, it takes time for the changes in time to effect other parts of time. Time.
So the Temporal Agents may have given Old Spock the TARDIS because it would have taken a bit for the changes Nero made to ripple up a century to the point where Old Spock left.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:08 AM   #53
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So I'm still holding out hope that this film will be a true prequel to TOS and NOT the first adventures of a ship called Enterprise in a parallel universe.
You and me both. I, too, think Orci was just trying to appease the Trek fans who worry about the look of the Enterprise etc. But of course that is merely speculation on my part.

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From your lips to the God's Of Trek ear's...
Sorry, I know it's terribly terribly smartass to correct someone's spelling, but shouldn't it be to the God of Trek's ears?

I'm hoping there's more than One Trek God to rely on...
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Old March 9 2009, 04:11 AM   #54
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So I'm still holding out hope that this film will be a true prequel to TOS and NOT the first adventures of a ship called Enterprise in a parallel universe.
You and me both. I, too, think Orci was just trying to appease the Trek fans who worry about the look of the Enterprise etc. But of course that is merely speculation on my part.

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From your lips to the God's Of Trek ear's...
Sorry, I know it's terribly terribly smartass to correct someone's spelling, but shouldn't it be to the God of Trek's ears?

I'm hoping there's more than One Trek God to rely on...
Wouldn't be correct either. Then it should say to the Gods of Trek's ears.

Or am I entirely mistaken?
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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And then there's the entire "Temporal Cold War" which may or may not have happened
This may be *part* of the TCW. Who knows, Daniels' group may yet send operatives back to prevent Nero's birth or something.
Quite possible considering that (it was stated by Daniels) changes in the timeline do not have an immediate impact on the future, it takes time for the changes in time to effect other parts of time. Time.
So the Temporal Agents may have given Old Spock the TARDIS because it would have taken a bit for the changes Nero made to ripple up a century to the point where Old Spock left.
But apparently it doesn't work that way in ST XI. Nero's meddling in the past does not erase the original timeline he came from.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:18 AM   #56
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Wouldn't be correct either. Then it should say to the Gods of Trek's ears.

Or am I entirely mistaken?
You're not mistaken, and your English is still just fine.

Meanwhile, back at "did Enterprise happen... "
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Old March 9 2009, 04:19 AM   #57
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Hmm.... Maybe it took a while for the new universe created by time travel to "unfold" and because the Temporal Cold War was...... ugh.... Just blow it up.
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Old March 9 2009, 04:23 AM   #58
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You're not mistaken, and your English is still just fine.
Thanks.

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Meanwhile, back at "did Enterprise happen... "
Sorry. I get the drift.

Ahem, ... well yes, I think Enterprise did happen. At least I hope it did. I mean, what with all the money I spent for the ENT DVDs? What if they're all really empty?!
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Wouldn't be correct either. Then it should say to the Gods of Trek's ears.

Or am I entirely mistaken?
You're not mistaken, and your English is still just fine.

Meanwhile, back at "did Enterprise happen... "
...sounds like the start of a bad joke to me...
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Old March 9 2009, 04:27 AM   #60
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Wouldn't be correct either. Then it should say to the Gods of Trek's ears.

Or am I entirely mistaken?
You're not mistaken, and your English is still just fine.

Meanwhile, back at "did Enterprise happen... "
...sounds like the start of a bad joke to me...
As long as the subject is "Enterprise" someone will be along to make one soon...
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