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Old March 13 2009, 01:22 AM   #166
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

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ENT isn't a prequel to TOS, it is a sequel to ST 8: First Contact.
Oh, good, then it's gone.
Not if First Contact was the ''Prequal'' to this, NU-TREK that would still make ENTERPRISE part of this movies history.
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Old March 13 2009, 04:26 AM   #167
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^Star Trek Enterprise happened in both timelines, it is canon, it is the fifth (or sixth if you count TAS) constituent part of the franchise. Its been *years* now, can we get over this shit?


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Your decision...your freedom. But remember...even the vast majority of TREK fans disagree with your definition of ENT's canon, even if they didn't like the show.
How soon they forget, eh, Stewey? (Actually, of the three, I think only eddie has been here long enough to have been in the ENT forum then.)
I was in the ENT forums when I was the resident Jolene Blalock basher. Remember my skreeds when I didn't like her OR T'Pol? Ugh. Hard to believe I started life in the "Series V"/ENT forums as such a buzzkill and one-note hack.
Ah, the memories.
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Old March 13 2009, 05:34 AM   #168
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Just wait for "Faith of the Heart" to play in the background during the love scene and you have your answer.

>.>
I plan on singing it during the opening credits.
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Old March 13 2009, 06:36 AM   #169
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Just wait for "Faith of the Heart" to play in the background during the love scene and you have your answer.

>.>
I plan on singing it during the opening credits.
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Old March 13 2009, 06:56 AM   #170
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Star Trek: Enterprise happened, since until certain events, they were the same Universe.
I really have to disagree with you there.

When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.

Enterprise could have redeemed itself by using the TCW (a truly horrible idea in the first place in my view) as a way to explain why Enterprise contradicts the other shows so glaringly. I think it could have brought many fans back to that show, perhaps even me.

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as for enterprise..
really it had far less canon errors then many fans claimed.
and tos itself as noted before had its own issues at time with canon.
Whether or not any particular show had errors or not, I would never consider that to be a justification for the carelessness of B&B when they came up with Enterprise.

The odd genuine mistake in an individual episode can be forgiven but for me it is unforgivable to be so careless when it comes to the entire premise for a prequel series set in the past of a universe with 40 years worth of content.

I appreciate and accept that people simply want to be entertained, but for me I simply can't be entertained by a show that metaphorically sticks two fingers up to TOS and the series that followed.

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I must have fallen through a space-time vortex. I could swear I saw a post by Stewey a while ago.

He is going to love the old Porthos in the new movie.
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
I'm still waiting for these glaring contradictions
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Old March 13 2009, 07:29 AM   #171
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^ During the time that Enterprise was on the air, Stewey held forth weekly in depth and in great detail upon those, I can assure you, to a degree which will likely never be surpassed by any mortal. Quite eloquent he was, but don't think that's quite what this thread or this forum are really about.
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Old March 13 2009, 07:37 AM   #172
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^ During the time that Enterprise was on the air, Stewey held forth weekly in depth and in great detail upon those, I can assure you, to a degree which will likely never be surpassed by any mortal. Quite eloquent he was, but don't think that's quite what this thread or this forum are really about.

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Old March 13 2009, 08:14 AM   #173
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^ During the time that Enterprise was on the air, Stewey held forth weekly in depth and in great detail upon those, I can assure you, to a degree which will likely never be surpassed by any mortal. Quite eloquent he was, but don't think that's quite what this thread or this forum are really about.
There's someone in BSG who is close (entire manifestos on why he hates such-and-such episode), but he doesn't do it on a daily/hourly basis like Stewey did.
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Old March 13 2009, 01:14 PM   #174
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Star Trek: Enterprise happened, since until certain events, they were the same Universe.
I really have to disagree with you there.

When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.

Enterprise could have redeemed itself by using the TCW (a truly horrible idea in the first place in my view) as a way to explain why Enterprise contradicts the other shows so glaringly. I think it could have brought many fans back to that show, perhaps even me.

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as for enterprise..
really it had far less canon errors then many fans claimed.
and tos itself as noted before had its own issues at time with canon.
Whether or not any particular show had errors or not, I would never consider that to be a justification for the carelessness of B&B when they came up with Enterprise.

The odd genuine mistake in an individual episode can be forgiven but for me it is unforgivable to be so careless when it comes to the entire premise for a prequel series set in the past of a universe with 40 years worth of content.

I appreciate and accept that people simply want to be entertained, but for me I simply can't be entertained by a show that metaphorically sticks two fingers up to TOS and the series that followed.

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I must have fallen through a space-time vortex. I could swear I saw a post by Stewey a while ago.

He is going to love the old Porthos in the new movie.
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
Oh Stewey, I really did miss you. Welcome back.

As the new movie takes place in an alternate universe, how do you feel about 'Enterprise' being in the past of this new universe, and not the past of the regular TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY one?
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Old March 13 2009, 03:57 PM   #175
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As the new movie takes place in an alternate universe, how do you feel about 'Enterprise' being in the past of this new universe, and not the past of the regular TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY one?
Perfect! I absolutely like it!

No, really, it does make sense. Seen from a purely stylistical standpoint, a technological evolution between ENT and nuTrek seems to be much more logical, much more natural than a technological evolution between ENT and TOS. However, we don't know enough about the background story of nuTrek to be able to judge whether this evolution can also include history, politics, the Federation's society in general and such.

[Also, it gives all the ENT and nuTrek haters a valid argument why both incarnations of Star Trek can never be parts of the official canon and of the generally-accepted timeline.]
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Old March 13 2009, 07:06 PM   #176
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Originaly I was going to say that ENTERPRISE didn't happen in the ''PRIME'' universe where Spock comes from, it only takes place in J.J.'s Verse, But then I rememberd ''TATV'' And the NX-O1 model ''NOW'' in the 'ENTERPRISE' lineage display case in NEMESIS, So apparently it does happen in ''BOTH'' Universes.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't think the NX does appear in the Conference Lounge display case... There are six starships there and one of them must surely be the current Enterprise-E. Although a U.S.S. Archer does appear named in his honor, as part of the taskforce list in the Stellar Cartography scene...

As a side note, I loved how ENT returned the favour - using Valdore as the name of the Romulan Admiral in charge of the remote Drone marauder program in the Babel One trilogy.
Are you sure? I coulda swore I saw a miniature NX-O1 in that display case If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but I'm sure I saw it!? I geuss I''ll have to look again to be sure, Unless someone here already has a ''Screenshot'' of the sceene I'm talking about. Also I never noticed that about the ''Babel One'' arc! that's gotta be proff positive ENTERPRISE is indeed ''Canon''
I think the NX-01 is left out of the NEMESIS display case for the sake of long-term display continuity...since the 1701-D wall sculptures and the first 1701-E case didn't show Archer's ship either. Just to avoid a lot of complaints and arguments about altered timelines changing little subtle details and the like. B&B just decided to keep the displays the way they had been since 1987 and the first season of TNG.

That said...I'm sure Earley would be too drunk to notice either way.


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Old March 13 2009, 08:05 PM   #177
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^ During the time that Enterprise was on the air, Stewey held forth weekly in depth and in great detail upon those, I can assure you, to a degree which will likely never be surpassed by any mortal. Quite eloquent he was, but don't think that's quite what this thread or this forum are really about.
There's someone in BSG who is close (entire manifestos on why he hates such-and-such episode), but he doesn't do it on a daily/hourly basis like Stewey did.
I believe I'm aware of the individual to whom you refer, but close? Meh. He's a piker, by comparison (and also outside the scope of this thread and this forum. )
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Old March 14 2009, 12:05 AM   #178
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^ Yep! that's sounds like Earley alright! But that ''would'' be coming from a squid who loves to watch ''SAW 2'' at thu Dollah Theata!
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Old March 14 2009, 12:09 AM   #179
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Welcome back dude.

In the new movie Porthos will be the only character that remembers the different time lines (sort of like Guinan).
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