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Old March 12 2009, 08:46 AM   #136
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

I must have fallen through a space-time vortex. I could swear I saw a post by Stewey a while ago.

He is going to love the old Porthos in the new movie.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:09 PM   #137
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Enterprise NEVER happened in canon, period.

No amount of retconning or fannon explanations will ever convince me that the events of that show occurred in the proper Trek timeline depicted on the 4 trek shows, given the huge and glaring contradictions contained within the show.

If this film references that show, then the only way they can credibly do it is to say that those events in Enterprise happened in an alternate timeline. Anything else and this films credibility will be as undermined as that show was, and equally as underserving of the Trek name as Enterprise was.
Enterprise did not BREAK what was established before. What it did was bend and elaborate on things.

Not Star Trek's greatest moment, but it IS CANON.

What are the "Huge, Glaring Contradictions" precisely?

What EXACTLY do they contradict? Note: Do NOT point to books, as they are NOT canon, though I've been told some of them are pretty good.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:26 PM   #138
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ENT isn't a prequel to TOS, it is a sequel to ST 8: First Contact.

Yes this movie does give some credit to ENT but we must assume events within it are somewhat different from what we saw in our ENT.

Keeping multiple timelines straight can be difficult but we must at least try in order to keep our conversations making sense. It bugs me when I see the producers of Star Trek out-nerding the nerds.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:44 PM   #139
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Star Trek: Enterprise happened, since until certain events, they were the same Universe.
I really have to disagree with you there.

When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.

Enterprise could have redeemed itself by using the TCW (a truly horrible idea in the first place in my view) as a way to explain why Enterprise contradicts the other shows so glaringly. I think it could have brought many fans back to that show, perhaps even me.

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as for enterprise..
really it had far less canon errors then many fans claimed.
and tos itself as noted before had its own issues at time with canon.
Whether or not any particular show had errors or not, I would never consider that to be a justification for the carelessness of B&B when they came up with Enterprise.

The odd genuine mistake in an individual episode can be forgiven but for me it is unforgivable to be so careless when it comes to the entire premise for a prequel series set in the past of a universe with 40 years worth of content.

I appreciate and accept that people simply want to be entertained, but for me I simply can't be entertained by a show that metaphorically sticks two fingers up to TOS and the series that followed.

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I must have fallen through a space-time vortex. I could swear I saw a post by Stewey a while ago.

He is going to love the old Porthos in the new movie.
Hi Cyrus, porthos was the only character I did like.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:48 PM   #140
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It´s too sad that TNG, DS9 and Voyager never happened. Well, TNG and DS9.
Who knows. Maybe they still can.

In any case, the original timeline where they *definitely* happened, is still intact. It hasn't been wiped out. Probably it will be the only timeline written in Trek novels for the time being...
And for all we know, when Abrams is finished with HIS movies there might be one more timeline reset button where the TREK universe reverts to the Shatner/TOS one when the final movie ends. Lazy and predictable. But would preserve everything else that follows chronologically.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:57 PM   #141
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It´s too sad that TNG, DS9 and Voyager never happened. Well, TNG and DS9.
Who knows. Maybe they still can.

In any case, the original timeline where they *definitely* happened, is still intact. It hasn't been wiped out. Probably it will be the only timeline written in Trek novels for the time being...
And for all we know, when Abrams is finished with HIS movies there might be one more timeline reset button where the TREK universe reverts to the Shatner/TOS one when the final movie ends. Lazy and predictable. But would preserve everything else that follows chronologically.
whoa!

I think my head just exploded.......

I hope not. Resetting the reboot after the reboot has been reset.... .... well I forgot what i was saying, but it's all just upsetting.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:58 PM   #142
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Who knows. Maybe they still can.

In any case, the original timeline where they *definitely* happened, is still intact. It hasn't been wiped out. Probably it will be the only timeline written in Trek novels for the time being...
And for all we know, when Abrams is finished with HIS movies there might be one more timeline reset button where the TREK universe reverts to the Shatner/TOS one when the final movie ends. Lazy and predictable. But would preserve everything else that follows chronologically.
whoa!

I think my head just exploded.......

I hope not. Resetting the reboot after the reboot has been reset.... .... well I forgot what i was saying, but it's all just upsetting.
I made my own head hurt with that one. But I can see it happening because it's sci-fi...and as we know, almost anything flies in sci-fi.
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Old March 12 2009, 06:59 PM   #143
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GAWD! I hope we get a ''new'' timeline just so we can get rid of FORTY years of all this ''CANON'' crap! and ALL the pointless arguments that come with it!
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Old March 12 2009, 07:05 PM   #144
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Star Trek: Enterprise happened, since until certain events, they were the same Universe.
I really have to disagree with you there.

When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.
You've been saying that for years. Please give examples? I've never seen an answer to that.
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Old March 12 2009, 07:08 PM   #145
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GAWD! I hope we get a ''new'' timeline just so we can get rid of FORTY years of all this ''CANON'' crap and ALL the pointless arguments that come with it!
Then, on the other hand, we don't want to deprive all those overweight, socially-awkward dateless wonders of the meaning of their pointless lives, do we?
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Old March 12 2009, 07:14 PM   #146
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GAWD! I hope we get a ''new'' timeline just so we can get rid of FORTY years of all this ''CANON'' crap and ALL the pointless arguments that come with it!
Then, on the other hand, we don't want to deprive all those overweight, socially-awkward dateless wonders of the meaning of their pointless lives, do we?
There's always the Trek BBS.
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Old March 12 2009, 07:27 PM   #147
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Star Trek: Enterprise happened, since until certain events, they were the same Universe.
I really have to disagree with you there.

When you compare the events of Enterprise to the references to Ents timeline from the other shows, the two cannot be reconciled. Enterprise could not possibly lead to the TOS/TNG/DS9/Voyager as they were seen on screen.
You've been saying that for years. Please give examples? I've never seen an answer to that.
I think he's refering to the fact that on: enterprise, they have phase pistols, phase cannon's, when they were ''supposed'' to be useing less advanced technology(you know ROCKS and SPEARS) All kidding aside, a ton of fans say that the NX-O1 shuld only have been useing either ''Pulse Weapon's or Guns'' and fans were pretty upset that the NX-O1 dare use ''ANYTHING'' more advanced then say ''nuclear torpedo's'' as explained by Mr.Spock in ''The Balance ''O'' Terror'' you see back in them Oldin times ( Ent-Era) they weren't s'posed to use them ol' FANCY SHMANCY Spacetial Torpedo's and them PHOTONIC Torpedo's, Till the Pike/Kirk Era!
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GAWD! I hope we get a ''new'' timeline just so we can get rid of FORTY years of all this ''CANON'' crap and ALL the pointless arguments that come with it!
Then, on the other hand, we don't want to deprive all those overweight, socially-awkward dateless wonders of the meaning of their pointless lives, do we?
There's always the Trek BBS.
^Good point!
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Old March 12 2009, 07:40 PM   #148
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Re: Did Enterprise happen in this Star Trek's past?

It is sort of weirdly(and sadly)ironic that in the Abramsverse/timeline ENTERPRISE might be the only canon that's preserved from the B&B era...but frankly we don't know if there's going to be some oddball reset button when the Abrams movies are finished and the fan reactions to #11 might have a lot to do with whether all of this ties into/leads to the Shatner TREK or not. Right now there's no way it logically/temporally can, but this is sci-fi after all. Weirder shit's happened.
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Old March 12 2009, 07:45 PM   #149
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Also, the Andorians were supposed to look Exactly like they did in TOS, plus they were supposed to have there dillybopers ''or'' antanie on the SIDE'S of there heads, not in front! and they weren't supposed to move around displaying ''Emotion'' because that would only make sence And the Klingon's were supposed to be ''Ridgeless'' like they were in TOS. And there shuld have been a ''ton'' of RED SHIRT deaths just like TOS.
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Earley and Rusty need to smack some sense into this franchise!

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