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View Poll Results: Grade "Gray Hour"
Excellent 4 7.14%
Above average 24 42.86%
Average 20 35.71%
Below average 5 8.93%
Poor 3 5.36%
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Old March 8 2009, 03:33 AM   #16
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Re: Dollhouse 1x04 Gray Hour - Poll & Discuss

The lab girl was boring as hell too. There was nothing to like about her. Her personallity was like cardboard.


And watching this I got a feeling Whedon is going to try to pull something on us, a twist on the Who Watched the Watchers thing. I'm betting everybody in charge at the "Dollhouse", except maybe one person, is actually a doll themselves so in the event they are found out, then can be wiped and the true people behind it are not caught. Eventually we are going to see Oliva Williams say, "Did I wake up?".
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Old March 8 2009, 03:55 AM   #17
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I thought this was a better episode. I'd rank them 2-4-3-1 from best to worst. At least there was an action/suspense premise this time. And her being blanked on a mission was a neat twist, as was their half-assed response to it. ... At first I thought the "Doll Midwife" was another hilarious idea for an assignment, but it just occurred to me. It was a forbidden love and unplanned pregnancy from a super rich couple, so they had to retreat to a winter mountain cabin for the pregnancy so nobody ever found out he knocked her up. They couldn't hire a normal midwife because she could be bribed to talk, whereas the Doll would be mind-wiped after the fact.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:11 AM   #18
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I thought this was a better episode. I'd rank them 2-4-3-1 from best to worst. At least there was an action/suspense premise this time. And her being blanked on a mission was a neat twist, as was their half-assed response to it. ... At first I thought the "Doll Midwife" was another hilarious idea for an assignment, but it just occurred to me. It was a forbidden love and unplanned pregnancy from a super rich couple, so they had to retreat to a winter mountain cabin for the pregnancy so nobody ever found out he knocked her up. They couldn't hire a normal midwife because she could be bribed to talk, whereas the Doll would be mind-wiped after the fact.
That would be nice, but the price for hiring a doll is way, way too much. It would be cheper to simply buy a gun, hire a hit man, have the hit man kill the midwife, then kill the hit man.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:19 AM   #19
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Average. Not as good as episode Two but better than the Pilot and Three.

This show is frustrating as hell. I can see how it would be good. And it's Joss Whedon. I know he could make it good. The pieces are all there, it's just not coalescing.

I've said before that I hated the premise. I don't anymore. I just hate what they're doing with it. The whole idea that Echo was clearly this Caroline person before and may become a whole person again (if not the same one) is kind of cool. They're just stalling. Episode Six better knock everyone's fucking socks off after all this build-up because if it doesn't I think we've got another cancellation on our hands.

I'll stick with it for the 13 episodes they've shot already and make my judgment then. For now though, I'm underwhelmed.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:39 AM   #20
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That would be nice, but the price for hiring a doll is way, way too much. It would be cheper to simply buy a gun, hire a hit man, have the hit man kill the midwife, then kill the hit man.
Hard as it is to believe, not all filthy rich people are okay with murder.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:46 AM   #21
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Missed this one, out watching the Watchmen.
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Old March 8 2009, 05:05 AM   #22
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Missed this one, out watching the Watchmen.
Ah, but who watches you while you're watching them? It's a fucking conspiracy. man! There's a Nerd Killer on the loose!

But yeah, if you've been following this you should catch it on iTunes cause if you like Dollhouse there's a decent story here. I can feel it ramping up to something bigger I just don't know what it is and I'm not 100% sure it'll be satisfying yet. But we'll see.
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Old March 8 2009, 05:38 AM   #23
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I like the actress who plays Sierra. She seems to make the transition between her doll state and her characters much better than Eliza.
I can't decide if she's hideous or hot, but either way, after watching this episode, I think they should have made her the star of the show. She nailed it in a way that Dushku just can't seem to do.
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Re: Dollhouse 1x04 Gray Hour - Poll & Discuss

I liked this episode. It's my favorite up to this point. Like DeafPoet, I can feel that they've got something great here, it's just not quite gelling together. I rated it "Above Average".

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Old March 8 2009, 07:23 AM   #25
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I like the actress who plays Sierra. She seems to make the transition between her doll state and her characters much better than Eliza.
I can't decide if she's hideous or hot, but either way, after watching this episode, I think they should have made her the star of the show. She nailed it in a way that Dushku just can't seem to do.

I was thinking along these exact same lines as I was watching. The best way I can describe it is like this...with echo, I feel like it's the same person trying to act like a different person. With Sierra, I actually felt like this was in fact a totally different person.(BTW, I'm on the hot side, not hideous)
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Old March 8 2009, 03:30 PM   #26
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Ratings have slipped to 3.5 million.

For what it's worth I read an interview with Dushku where she stated that episodes 1 - 5 suffer from fox meddling, and that they backed off after that and the rest of the show is all Whedon.
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Old March 8 2009, 04:23 PM   #27
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I thought this was a better episode. I'd rank them 2-4-3-1 from best to worst. At least there was an action/suspense premise this time. And her being blanked on a mission was a neat twist, as was their half-assed response to it. ... At first I thought the "Doll Midwife" was another hilarious idea for an assignment, but it just occurred to me. It was a forbidden love and unplanned pregnancy from a super rich couple, so they had to retreat to a winter mountain cabin for the pregnancy so nobody ever found out he knocked her up. They couldn't hire a normal midwife because she could be bribed to talk, whereas the Doll would be mind-wiped after the fact.
That would be nice, but the price for hiring a doll is way, way too much. It would be cheper to simply buy a gun, hire a hit man, have the hit man kill the midwife, then kill the hit man.
If you are going to use your gun to kill the hit man, why not just forget hiring the hit man and kill the midwife?
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Old March 8 2009, 04:26 PM   #28
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Or maybe they just weren't murderers. Inconceivable I know
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Old March 8 2009, 04:42 PM   #29
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I actually quite like the episode. The plotting was well done, and it was interesting to seem them struggle with getting her out.

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That would be nice, but the price for hiring a doll is way, way too much. It would be cheper to simply buy a gun, hire a hit man, have the hit man kill the midwife, then kill the hit man.
If you are going to use your gun to kill the hit man, why not just forget hiring the hit man and kill the midwife?
I thought the same thing. It'd also probably be easier to off a midwife than a trained hitman.

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I like the actress who plays Sierra. She seems to make the transition between her doll state and her characters much better than Eliza.
I can't decide if she's hideous or hot, but either way, after watching this episode, I think they should have made her the star of the show. She nailed it in a way that Dushku just can't seem to do.

I was thinking along these exact same lines as I was watching. The best way I can describe it is like this...with echo, I feel like it's the same person trying to act like a different person. With Sierra, I actually felt like this was in fact a totally different person.(BTW, I'm on the hot side, not hideous)
Big Red X. Having Dushku and Lachman play the exact same character gave every single person who has criticized Dushku's casting plenty of ammunition. I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that Dushku played the Taffy character better than Lachman. Next week's episode will probably only emphasize this - it looks to me like her next role is going to be a somewhat softer personality, and I can't imagine she will pull that off. I know Dushku is an Exec Producer, and IIRC she came up with the idea over lunch with Whedon, but she was simply the wrong actress for the role and she's a big reason the show is falling flat for a lot of people.
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Old March 8 2009, 05:02 PM   #30
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One problem, I think, is that Eliza's last series didn't exactly give her the chance to act either. In Tru Calling, every other character was given a lot of depth and development, EXCEPT Tru, whose only job was to go back in time and solve the problem of the week. The writers ignored her for the sake of plot advancement. She didn't get squat in terms of development.

Now in this series her character is a blank, staring cypher.

I'd love to see her in a show where she gets to be a single, developing, well-written character.
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