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Old March 7 2009, 09:58 PM   #121
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

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The great thing about nuBSG is that it allows a character like Adama to break down and cry. How many other SF-TV shows would allow their lead, commanding officer-type cry and have an emotional breakdown?
Not a whole lot. And yet we still all talk about how tough Adama is. They really did an awesome job putting his character together. Adama is the man!
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Old March 7 2009, 10:06 PM   #122
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

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People have complained about Adama becoming something of an emotional basket case lately. I, for one, give him a pass. Everyone has their breaking point. The back half of season four has shown us that maybe the Old Man has reached his. I prefer Adama being this way. I think it's more realistic. And it's pretty damn scary, too. What do you do when the man who's traditionally been the rock of the fleet starts breaking down?
The great thing about nuBSG is that it allows a character like Adama to break down and cry. How many other SF-TV shows would allow their lead, commanding officer-type cry and have an emotional breakdown?
Not to nit-pick, but that was actually me you quoted, though Robert Maxwell did post an insightful response to what I said.

You pose a good question. It's funny, because the only other show that's really let the audience see their lead break down and cry was TNG with Picard in "Family."

Coincidentally, that episode was written by... you guessed it: Ronald D. Moore.
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Old March 7 2009, 10:13 PM   #123
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Am I the only one who teared up when Adama broke down in painting the Wall?

Possibly. My reaction was "what? He's breaking down AGAIN?!? Oh come on!"

Yes, under stress like that people would probably have regular relapses and break down. But seriously, how many times have we seen Adama do that now?

And enough with Adama blaming God or the gods about their plight. A lot of the fleet's suffering has been the direct result of his and Roslyn's missteps. Own up to your own mistakes, man. Yes Earth was a radioactive waste but that doesn't excuse the inept leadership and power vacuum we saw a few episodes ago that lead to the mutiny.
Agreed. Adama breaking down at the drop of a hat isn't compelling anymore. It's repetative. It does work when the character is doing it on a weekly basis.

Agreed also on Adama not owning up to his own mistakes and going into self-pitying. I really wish Lee would have slapped the drink out of his hand during that scene. Adama's drama queen antics are getting tiresome.
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Old March 7 2009, 10:17 PM   #124
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Am I the only one who teared up when Adama broke down in painting the Wall?

Possibly. My reaction was "what? He's breaking down AGAIN?!? Oh come on!"

Yes, under stress like that people would probably have regular relapses and break down. But seriously, how many times have we seen Adama do that now?

And enough with Adama blaming God or the gods about their plight. A lot of the fleet's suffering has been the direct result of his and Roslyn's missteps. Own up to your own mistakes, man. Yes Earth was a radioactive waste but that doesn't excuse the inept leadership and power vacuum we saw a few episodes ago that lead to the mutiny.
Agreed. Adama breaking down at the drop of a hat isn't compelling anymore. It's repetative. It does work when the character is doing it on a weekly basis.
I'm blaming it more on the booze these days than anything. He's cracking up the way Saul used to get super angry when he was drunk all the time.
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Old March 7 2009, 10:35 PM   #125
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^ See, in that sense it does make sense. When you fall in real life you have more than one time up and down the emotional ladder.

Guess with my fiction I want something different? I don't know. I mean it's good. I enjoy the show. I'm just leaning a little more toward the camp that's been complaining about filler. This close to the end let's start wrapping up in style, not continuing to wallow in self pity.

Someone a page or two back mentioned in a sarcastic tone (at least I took it as such) that "how convenient" it was the Cylons had a homeworld. Well, why wouldn't they? I've always assumed they had a homeworld. I just assumed it was a physical planet somewhere and not a mobile home.
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People have complained about Adama becoming something of an emotional basket case lately. I, for one, give him a pass. Everyone has their breaking point. The back half of season four has shown us that maybe the Old Man has reached his. I prefer Adama being this way. I think it's more realistic. And it's pretty damn scary, too. What do you do when the man who's traditionally been the rock of the fleet starts breaking down?
The great thing about nuBSG is that it allows a character like Adama to break down and cry. How many other SF-TV shows would allow their lead, commanding officer-type cry and have an emotional breakdown?
Not to nit-pick, but that was actually me you quoted, though Robert Maxwell did post an insightful response to what I said.
Oops. My bad... sorry.
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They've mentioned before that they have a homeworld/base.

As for the idea that more should be resolved: What exactly needs to be resolved? What Starbuck is and the song's meaning is coming into play already. We could get the answers pretty swiftly and quietly in "Daybreak," it's not like they need to spend episodes upon episodes on the topic.

I think people expect some sort of massive turnaround. It ain't coming. They're screwed. We are watching them slide down into oblivion. Roslin will die. Galactica will break apart. The crew is split and will remain so. Things are still tough. "Daybreak" won't magically fix this. We're not heading to a happy Voygeresque "We did it" ending.
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Old March 7 2009, 11:02 PM   #128
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Am I the only one who teared up when Adama broke down in painting the Wall?

Possibly. My reaction was "what? He's breaking down AGAIN?!? Oh come on!"

Yes, under stress like that people would probably have regular relapses and break down. But seriously, how many times have we seen Adama do that now?
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by sidious618

As for the idea that more should be resolved: What exactly needs to be resolved? What Starbuck is and the song's meaning is coming into play already. We could get the answers pretty swiftly and quietly in "Daybreak," it's not like they need to spend episodes upon episodes on the topic.

I think people expect some sort of massive turnaround. It ain't coming. They're screwed. We are watching them slide down into oblivion. Roslin will die. Galactica will break apart. The crew is split and will remain so. Things are still tough. "Daybreak" won't magically fix this. We're not heading to a happy Voygeresque "We did it" ending.
100% agree. I am also not sure exactly what people want "wrapped up". The plot is, basically, find a habitable planet before the fleet runs out of resources. It's very simple, actually. The beauty of the series, in my opinion, is that even with a bare bones plot, the real meat of the show is the inner-workings of the fleet and the characters involved.

Those looking for a happy ending will be disappointed. After all the series as taken its audience through, who can say with a straight face that they ACTUALLY expect a happy ending of any sort?
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

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Possibly. My reaction was "what? He's breaking down AGAIN?!? Oh come on!"

Yes, under stress like that people would probably have regular relapses and break down. But seriously, how many times have we seen Adama do that now?
Agreed.
I don't know. Not all that many. Once in Revelations he had a breakdown. He went crazy in SAGN but he wasn't sobbing and that seems to be the thing people have a problem with. Then he got upset again in this one, right? He's not doing that bad all things considered.
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Tahmoh Penikett probably deserves an Emmy nomination. That scene with him and Edward James Olmos was - well played. It got me.
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The Maureen Ryan column reminded me of something. Anyone notice the rambnigs of Sam in Hybrid mode with his "there's a hole in the bucket dear liza" line?

A reference to the Galactica's damage but not blatantly obvious.
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Tahmoh Penikett probably deserves an Emmy nomination. That scene with him and Edward James Olmos was - well played. It got me.
I've never been overly impressed with Penikett only because the character is so steady that he never had to stretch much. That scene was ace, though, and he was great. I don't know about an Emmy but it was really good.
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Old March 8 2009, 12:29 AM   #134
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The Maureen Ryan column reminded me of something. Anyone notice the rambnigs of Sam in Hybrid mode with his "there's a hole in the bucket dear liza" line?

A reference to the Galactica's damage but not blatantly obvious.
yeah, I thought that was funny.
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Old March 8 2009, 12:37 AM   #135
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Possibly. My reaction was "what? He's breaking down AGAIN?!? Oh come on!"

Yes, under stress like that people would probably have regular relapses and break down. But seriously, how many times have we seen Adama do that now?
Agreed.
I don't know. Not all that many. Once in Revelations he had a breakdown. He went crazy in SAGN but he wasn't sobbing and that seems to be the thing people have a problem with. Then he got upset again in this one, right? He's not doing that bad all things considered.
Adama at his worse was probably in Hero, where he started crying because he thought that sending a spy ship two clicks inside the Cylon border that triggered the war. That led to his biggest drama queen moment when he attempted to resign his post and Roslin had to lecture him like a little child not to.
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