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Old March 7 2009, 07:05 PM   #91
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Re: Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

It's becoming clear that "filler" means "anything besides hitting plot points." In other words, filler = most of what makes fiction worth the time to absorb it.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:11 PM   #92
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I truly wish that one day there could be a forum in which a thread dedicated to a specific episode can maintain thoughtful discussion of said episode without devolving into juvenile arguments about what is 'filler' or 'not filler' -- whatever the fuck 'filler' means in the first place. Is this really the only response some people have to these episodes?
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Old March 7 2009, 07:13 PM   #93
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I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
Yeah, slapping doesn't really seem like Kara's style, I guess she has changed.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:16 PM   #94
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Temis, I have to say that a lot of your rants the last few weeks have been dead on. I love BSG but the lack of pre-planning the storyline has hurt the show a lot. Agreed too about the Adama hysterics. He's played the drama queen too many times with his crying in order for it to be effective. This past season has been Adama curling up into a ball and sobbing.

I'm pretty sure they could.
Its just that they don't want to, because they chose a different approach to storytelling.
This show is NOT Lost. Nor did it ever want to be.
BSG could have learned a lot from Lost. It took Lost quite a while but it's getting stronger as it goes on and I can definitely see the writers had a plan all along. Unlike the Cylons and especially unlike the BSG writing staff. They had themes they wanted to explore with BSG. God, war, genocide, religion, torture, survival, etc. But the long-term planning has been simply awful. Once they started exploring the Cylons in detail, they completely fell apart as characters. The writers never knew what the hell the Cylons wanted to be and their "plan" constantly shifted. Let's destroy humanity. No, let's rule humanity. Frak that, let's go to Earth! Frak that, let's wipe em all out!!!
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Old March 7 2009, 07:18 PM   #95
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I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
Yeah, slapping doesn't really seem like Kara's style, I guess she has changed.
I was thinking the same thing. But if she flat out clocked the guy it probably would have come off more funny than anything. Plus, I figure the slap is more to shame him than anything -- although that in itself is slightly odd for someone like Kara, who only 10 minutes before seemed to get a slight kick out of urinating (and wiping! ) in the open.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:19 PM   #96
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I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
Yeah, slapping doesn't really seem like Kara's style, I guess she has changed.
I think slapping conveys a much deeper emotional pain than just punching somebody, which conveys being pissed off in the moment and nothing more.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:20 PM   #97
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At least we didn't get a Ferengi show 3 eps from the end. What a boat anchor THAT was.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:36 PM   #98
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Above average:

The character beats worked so much better for me here than in the previous episode with Starbuck and her hallucinatory father. Hell, I even liked the Starbuck on the can moment. Any moment with Baltar in the head is just pure gold.

My favorite line: "Destiny... I've had it up to hear with destiny. What has destiny got us? The ass-end of nowhere."
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Oh yeah I totally loved nü Starbuck putting the picture of old Starbuck on the memory wall. I found it very poignant. Even though we still don't know what she is.

i am getting the feeling she resurrected wherever the five did.
and somehow cavill came across some info that led him to it first.
so when she arrived there he programmed her to lead everyone to the dead planet.
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I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
Yeah, slapping doesn't really seem like Kara's style, I guess she has changed.
I think slapping conveys a much deeper emotional pain than just punching somebody, which conveys being pissed off in the moment and nothing more.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. She'll punch someone to prove she's tougher, that she's pissed, etc. But I think she was deeply hurt by Baltar outing her, and the slap was meant to convey that. She opened up to him despite their history and he used it to score a religious point. She had a right to be upset and hurt, for sure, not simply angry.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:49 PM   #101
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A very basic point-by-point mini review (for those interested, there will not be a single occurrence of the phrases 'should have been,' 'pre-planned,' or 'filler ep'):

- A good episode that captured the chaos from the aftermath of last week's conclusion. I really liked seeing and hearing Galactica's collapse.

- Although the jury is still out for me on Kara's 'destiny' I liked how it was handled here. It worked into Baltar's story rather gracefully. I'm not sure if I find his broadcasts inspiring or absurd, but for the moment they seem to be working well in how they affect both him and the fleet.

- I like that the Quorum is vying for Galactica's parts. In all the mysticism being tossed around (another aspect that for me the jury remains out on) this is one of the pragmatic realities that originally attracted me to the series. Further, I also like Adama's final decision to abandon ship. There's something very dramatically satisfying to me about this concession.

- I DID NOT like the opening sequence involving the nameless mechanic, the Six, and the relentless vacuum of space. Was this selfless display of sacrifice and heroism really necessary? I felt it was a well-executed disaster scene undermined by a bit of staged silliness.

- I'm on the fence about Boomer's scenes with Hera, particularly the ending with Hera behind the curtain wailing for Boomer as Boomer cries a river. Slightly heavy-handed. I feel like it was just a variation of scene I've watched countless times before. There are times when I think this series doesn't have faith enough in its viewers to recognize the stakes at hand without being strong armed into it. (Also: I hope that Boomer doesn't just pull an aboutface and snatch Hera away from Cavil. If this happens, it will drastically reduce my opinion of the psychological mastermind Cavil.)

- What little was seen of Helo and Athena worked well, I thought. Helo's later confrontation with Adama really made him look both desperate and pathetic. I also like the very small beat near the beginning when Adama orders the SAR mission be kept from both Helo and Athena. Given their history, I wouldn't trust them either.

- Adama's scene with Roslin was enjoyable, calling back the also enjoyable scene from 'Unfinished Business'.

- Anders being hooked up like a Hybrid was... something. As with most things, we'll have to see where it goes. Certainly creepy, though. The actor did a great job selling it, I'll give him that.

- My biggest criticism of the episode is the same one I've had of 'Blood on the Scales' and 'Deadlock' and that is that it seemed to have a lot of missing material. I understand this will be one of the episodes to be expanded on DVD, which is something I am completely fine with. In the end, any show lives on in DVD format and I like that the producers will be allowing some of these last episodes to stretch their legs outside of their constricted time slot. (Also: I really thought these episodes were going to get some extra runtime as per some article I read months ago. What the hell happened to this? There are times that I genuinely wish networks would make a slight concession for the good of their product and this is definitely one of those times.)

All this being said, I enjoyed the episode. It was certainly written to segue into the two-part finale and in that sense it did its job. On our very misleading poll I voted 'above average' in that there were some great moments that made the show standout. On retrospect 'average' might have been better considering MOST episodes of BSG are well-made with standout moments. In this case, 'average' is not a bad thing, especially considering that the average episode of BSG that one would see each week is actually quite good.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:50 PM   #102
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BSG could have learned a lot from Lost. It took Lost quite a while but it's getting stronger as it goes on and I can definitely see the writers had a plan all along. Unlike the Cylons and especially unlike the BSG writing staff. They had themes they wanted to explore with BSG. God, war, genocide, religion, torture, survival, etc. But the long-term planning has been simply awful.
Long-term planning isn't necessary for a solid storyline to be achieved. DS9 did a lot of its stuff on the fly and you couldn't tell.

BSG is obviously more interested in the character stuff and only threw in the mythology to give a bone to fans of that sort of thing. Plot was also secondary on this--no surprise given Moore was never strong on that. Nothing wrong with that though. Just for my personal preference I like a balance of character and plot which a show like Lost provides.

Another issue with BSG is that the writers can't seem to discipline themselves when it comes to fitting material into an episode or a season leading to important scenes deleted and a sense of something in the narrative is missing.

But if you love the characters of course you are going to have fewer complaints about BSG. For me a lot of the character scenes these days aren't compelling. Just putting two characters in a scene and talking doesn't make it dramatic gold. And on the individual characters front, I can't say what Apollo, Baltar, the Final Five, Caprica Six etc have done this season has made their characters interesting or worthwhile.
Once they started exploring the Cylons in detail, they completely fell apart as characters.
The problem with the Cylons is that they never were interesting enough as characters or villians.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:57 PM   #103
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How many episodes are left? 2?
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Old March 7 2009, 08:02 PM   #104
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I wonder what cavil mean't by hera will soon have lots of "playmates"?
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Old March 7 2009, 08:04 PM   #105
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Am I the only one who teared up when Adama broke down in painting the Wall?
Very poignant scene. Sad because he knew there was nothing he could do to save his ship.

People have complained about Adama becoming something of an emotional basket case lately. I, for one, give him a pass. Everyone has their breaking point. The back half of season four has shown us that maybe the Old Man has reached his. I prefer Adama being this way. I think it's more realistic. And it's pretty damn scary, too. What do you do when the man who's traditionally been the rock of the fleet starts breaking down?

Also, his greater fragility parallels nicely with how the same thing is happening to his ship.
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