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Old March 19 2009, 10:56 PM   #46
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

She could insist that his name is representative of his position like in her culture that his name would be Lieutenant Commander Chakotay Lieutenant Commander.
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Old March 21 2009, 12:22 AM   #47
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

(if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...)

... i think he still stay Chokotay... and 7/9 Anika...

(...or maby... Chokotay Hanson... )
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Old March 21 2009, 01:19 AM   #48
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

After a little Google search, I can confirm that the name "Chakotay" doesn't mean anything at all. It's a made up name.
They should have called him something like Chaytan, at least that has a meaning : it's Sioux for "hawk".

BTW, I love native Americans and their history, which is full of spirituality.
I admit their popularity in Europe might have something to do with the Karl May stories though (although May has never set a foot upon American soil), his character Winnetou (a fictional Apache-chieftain) was so popular they made several movies about him, in which Lex Barker played his white bloodbrother Old Shatterhand.
But I'm drifting here..
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Old March 21 2009, 01:32 AM   #49
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

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After a little Google search, I can confirm that the name "Chakotay" doesn't mean anything at all. It's a made up name.
They should have called him something like Chaytan, at least that has a meaning : it's Sioux for "hawk".
Why would they give him a Lakota name when he wasn't Lakota?

The funny thing is, Chak is the Mayan thunder god. And Teya (or Taya)--which Chakotay said was the feminine of Chakotay--is a Mayan name.

And Beltran suggested making Chakotay Mayan. TPTB threw a little Maya into Tribe Hollywood, but they truly should have gone all the way.

Although the naming conventions would be confusing...

BTW, I love native Americans and their history, which is full of spirituality.
You're perpetuating a stereotype. American Indians are no more "spiritual" than any other group. You may find different tribal religious traditions exotic, but there's nothing more inherently spiritual in our religious traditions than yours.

And most of us are Christian--or at the very least, practice a faith that blends both Christianity and pagan tradition.

BTW, we are 500 nations strong. We are probably less homogenous than Europe.
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Old March 21 2009, 01:55 AM   #50
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After a little Google search, I can confirm that the name "Chakotay" doesn't mean anything at all. It's a made up name.
They should have called him something like Chaytan, at least that has a meaning : it's Sioux for "hawk".
Why would they give him a Lakota name when he wasn't Lakota?
Well, why the hell not??

The funny thing is, Chak is the Mayan thunder god. And Teya (or Taya)--which Chakotay said was the feminine of Chakotay--is a Mayan name.
Take a look here :
http://74.125.77.132/u/loyolachicago...&hl=en&ct=clnk

And Beltran suggested making Chakotay Mayan. TPTB threw a little Maya into Tribe Hollywood, but they truly should have gone all the way.

Although the naming conventions would be confusing...
Not one of Beltran's better suggestions.. But you're right about the "going all the way" part.

BTW, I love native Americans and their history, which is full of spirituality.
You're perpetuating a stereotype. American Indians are no more "spiritual" than any other group. You may find different tribal religious traditions exotic, but there's nothing more inherently spiritual in our religious traditions than yours.
*sigh* You know, when someone would walk up to me and say to me about Belgians what I said about native Americans in the quote, I would say : "Thank you". It was meant as a compliment.

And most of us are Christian--or at the very least, practice a faith that blends both Christianity and pagan tradition.
Well, I would choose pagan tradition over christianity any time.

BTW, we are 500 nations strong. We are probably less homogenous than Europe.
That's nice.
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Old March 21 2009, 02:17 AM   #51
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Why would they give him a Lakota name when he wasn't Lakota?
Well, why the hell not??
Because he wasn't Lakota.

The funny thing is, Chak is the Mayan thunder god. And Teya (or Taya)--which Chakotay said was the feminine of Chakotay--is a Mayan name.
Take a look here :
http://74.125.77.132/u/loyolachicago...&hl=en&ct=clnk
And? What was your point?

And Beltran suggested making Chakotay Mayan. TPTB threw a little Maya into Tribe Hollywood, but they truly should have gone all the way.
Not one of Beltran's better suggestions.. But you're right about the "going all the way" part.
Why not?

I thought it was a terrific idea. First, the Mayans were astronomers extraordinaire. And second, there's a huge Mayan population in Southern California and a revivalist movement among 2nd, 3rd, and so on generation. It ties into Chakotay's back story nicely--the folks more likely to have left earth would be highly educated, not simple farmers.

So why don't you think Mayan was a good suggestion?


BTW, I love native Americans and their history, which is full of spirituality.
You're perpetuating a stereotype. American Indians are no more "spiritual" than any other group. You may find different tribal religious traditions exotic, but there's nothing more inherently spiritual in our religious traditions than yours
*sigh* You know, when someone would walk up to me and say to me about Belgians what I said about native Americans in the quote, I would say : "Thank you". It was meant as a compliment.
And, yanno, if you'd said "I love the Haudenosanee and their history..." I'd have been pleasantly surprised.

But you didn't. You lumped us into one big amorphous mass, which actually negates our religious traditions and history.

And, well, yanno, our history isn't exactly all sweetness and light.

And most of us are Christian--or at the very least, practice a faith that blends both Christianity and pagan tradition.
Well, I would choose pagan tradition over christianity any time.
Frankly, I like the syncretism, myself.
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Old March 21 2009, 02:29 AM   #52
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^ I give up. Jeez!
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Old March 21 2009, 02:40 AM   #53
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^ I give up. Jeez!
Why?

I've asked you questions. I've given my perspective--as an American Indian.

Why don't you want a conversation?

Why not tell me why you think Chakotay shouldn't have been a Maya? Why not say what tribe you would have liked to see him be and why?

Look, if you prefer to continue with a lovely romanticized view of who we are and what we believe, just say so. I'll leave you alone.

But I will strongly disagree.

I do have that right, yanno.
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Old March 21 2009, 03:22 AM   #54
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

^ I think there's some confusion over the mutliple meanings of the word "yanno":

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yanno

I'm pretty sure teya meant definition #1 but perhaps it's best to avoid using this term just so there aren't any understandings.

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Old March 21 2009, 04:14 AM   #55
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

According to Beltran, Chakotay's first name is Fred. I'ld keep that a secret too if I were him.

(looks around for people named Fred who will be insulted)
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Old March 21 2009, 07:34 AM   #56
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(looks around for people named Fred who will be insulted)


@Captain Gandalf - I enjoy your posts immensely and the way you express yourself is fantastic.

@Taya - it seems to me like you're constantly looking for a fight or maybe rather that you expect to be insulted/hurt by almost everybody, and so you're so up in arms that you end up reading insult where there is none - hell might even be a compliment as was the case with Captain Gandalf's statement about being spiritual. At least that how I read the tone many of your posts carry. I see a fight, not an interesting debate. Just my opinion. You accuse people of making assumptions, but you tend to do this a lot yourself. Oh well, moving on. You and I really have very little to talk about.
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Old March 21 2009, 09:31 AM   #57
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

Okay, we get it that you don't like Chakotay. No need to be trollish about it. Besides, the thread is about his last name, not about how he should die.
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Point taken... Keepnig on track then...

Seven of nine and Chakotay married, it would be and SHOULD be Seven Chakotay..
(per traditions of marriage the spouse takes the last name of the groom)

I really can't see, as an amateur writer, Chakotay getting married... lthough its a pretty good concept. A BIT far fetched.

Here would be another good concept.

if Seven and Chaotay ever had Kids (if it was possible)

What on Earth would you call them? One Chakotay and Two Chakotay???

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Old March 21 2009, 10:09 AM   #58
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Re: if Chakotay doesn't have a last name, when he gets married...

There were 152 crew near the end.

Lets assume that 148 through 152 were the equinox 5 and the the Borg Kids don't count. Which would make Anika's Borg designation aboard Voyager something close to 147 of 147 when she first arrived, and in the final days 147 of 152. Chuckles was of course always 2 of 152(Or what ever the crew manifest said was able bodied and breathing at the time.) except while he was on vacation with Kathy when Tom was 2 of 140-something.

So if she was to take his Borg name, then she would be One of (2 of 152).

Of course her most official posting was Stellametrics. Which makes her One of Two Stellametrics, unless Kim want's to say that he is One of Two Stellametrics and not she? Although water finds it's own level.
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Old March 21 2009, 10:53 AM   #59
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kimc;2736831
I'm pretty sure [B wrote:

teya[/b] meant definition #1
Maybe so, but that's not what I'm sensing here. Since English is not my native language, it's not always easy to express myself the way I want to;
there are still words I have to look up because I haven't encountered them before. For someone who was raised in English, my choice of words could be seen as simplistic (see definition #3), but it should not be the reason for making insults (if that was the case).

belle paris wrote: View Post
According to Beltran, Chakotay's first name is Fred. I'ld keep that a secret too if I were him.

(looks around for people named Fred who will be insulted)


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@Captain Gandalf - I enjoy your posts immensely and the way you express yourself is fantastic.
Thanks Gorf. I enjoy your posts too, especially in the TrekLit forum. As to expressing myself, like I said, it's harder for me than you think.

@Taya - it seems to me like you're constantly looking for a fight or maybe rather that you expect to be insulted/hurt by almost everybody, and so you're so up in arms that you end up reading insult where there is none - hell might even be a compliment as was the case with Captain Gandalf's statement about being spiritual. At least that how I read the tone many of your posts carry. I see a fight, not an interesting debate. Just my opinion. You accuse people of making assumptions, but you tend to do this a lot yourself. Oh well, moving on. You and I really have very little to talk about.
That's exactly what I'm thinking, and that's the reason I won't be responding to her posts anymore. I came to this forum to enjoy myself, maybe even to make some good friends down the line, but not to fight pointless battles.
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Old March 21 2009, 11:37 AM   #60
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There were 152 crew near the end.

Lets assume that 148 through 152 were the equinox 5 and the the Borg Kids don't count. Which would make Anika's Borg designation aboard Voyager something close to 147 of 147 when she first arrived, and in the final days 147 of 152. Chuckles was of course always 2 of 152(Or what ever the crew manifest said was able bodied and breathing at the time.) except while he was on vacation with Kathy when Tom was 2 of 140-something.

So if she was to take his Borg name, then she would be One of (2 of 152).

Of course her most official posting was Stellametrics. Which makes her One of Two Stellametrics, unless Kim want's to say that he is One of Two Stellametrics and not she? Although water finds it's own level.

So anyone know what Seven's real name was BEFORE she was assimilated by the BORG?

Chakotay's name is FRED? omg...


Mr and Mrs Fred and Seven Chakotay? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

That is REALLY REALLY uh... GAY!

I would think Chakotay would have a cooler Native American name than just FRED...
EGAD ..


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