What happened to the First Federation?

dave2770 · October 22 2009, 05:00 AM

How come we never saw them again?
They became allies, they had a massive ship that could easily have done alot of damage to the dominion, borg, and
it they were just useful.

I dont see why no one saw them ever again, it is ridiculous, they really could have helped out the federation!

Nerys Myk · October 22 2009, 05:05 AM

Turns out they were the Ferengi.

nx1701g · October 22 2009, 05:05 AM

Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.

I am not Spock · October 22 2009, 05:21 AM

^ I like that theory. They could have just been highly xenophobic, like the Sheliak. And withdrawn from galactic politics altogether.

dave2770 · October 22 2009, 06:37 AM

nx1701g wrote:

Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.

They could have helped alot with the wars and whatnot.

Also, how come the vulcans and other races never helped fight the war? but lets not get off topic, im still wondering why we never saw the first federation again..

their ships were ridiculously huge

Jono · October 22 2009, 08:30 AM

It was dismantled after word got out to the Federation Department of Community Services that children were driving around starships.

timothy1701 · October 22 2009, 10:55 AM

Well they did fly off with that one guy that Kirk sent with them. He wasn't too on top of things on the bridge of the Enterprise, he probably wasn't on the ball on that giant ship either...probably blew it up by mistake!

apenpaap · October 22 2009, 10:55 AM

Maybe they joined the Federation, and their technology (among others) was used to build the Excelsior class.

Therin of Andor · October 22 2009, 11:40 AM

dave2770 wrote:

I dont see why no one saw them ever again, it is ridiculous...

We did:

Ambassadors of the First Federation featured in the novel, "TNG: Gulliver's Fugitives".

Mirror Balok was well preserved in Shatner's novel, "Preserver".

StarryEyed · October 22 2009, 02:01 PM

It's possible that Balock was a rogue and there is no First Federation. Or they may have a Prime Directive similar to the UFPs.

Another important race that just disappeared was the Tamarians from "Darmok".

barnaclelapse · October 22 2009, 03:01 PM

nx1701g wrote:

Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.

That would make sense.

dave2770 · October 22 2009, 11:40 PM

barnaclelapse wrote:

nx1701g wrote:

Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.

That would make sense.

they had huge ships, if only they would show their ships in TNG or DS9, and if they fought alongside the Fed, im sure the fed would beat the dominion.

just look at how huge their ships are

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File...remastered.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File...Enterprise.jpg

mtblillie · October 22 2009, 11:48 PM

Lol well frankly there is a lot of things seen and discussed in TOS that were "cut out" in all the spin offs.

DonIago · October 23 2009, 12:12 AM

I'm curious as to why there's assumptions that just because the FF ships are big that they are also powerful, particularly powerful enough to take on Dominion ships that had at least 80 more years to develop technologically.

That's like saying the Spruce Goose could kick an F-14's ass...okay, that was a lame analogy, but you see what I'm getting at.

SeerSGB · October 23 2009, 12:52 AM

DonIago wrote:

I'm curious as to why there's assumptions that just because the FF ships are big that they are also powerful, particularly powerful enough to take on Dominion ships that had at least 80 more years to develop technologically.

That's like saying the Spruce Goose could kick an F-14's ass...okay, that was a lame analogy, but you see what I'm getting at.

True.

For all we know the 1st Fed ships like Fesarius were colony ships (my personal theory) and have more defensive than offensive weaponry. After all if the Fesarius could really bring the pain, why mess with towing the 1701 with a shuttle/pilot ship? Just blow her out of the stars and keep on trucking.

October 22 2009, 05:00 AM	#1
dave2770 Ensign	What happened to the First Federation? How come we never saw them again? They became allies, they had a massive ship that could easily have done alot of damage to the dominion, borg, and it they were just useful. I dont see why no one saw them ever again, it is ridiculous, they really could have helped out the federation!

October 22 2009, 05:05 AM	#2
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October 22 2009, 05:05 AM	#3
nx1701g Admiral Location: Aboard the Executor...	Re: What happened to the First Federation? Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory. __________________ Star Trek: The Continuing Voyages RPG - Recruiting New Players! The Terminator Chronicles - The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continue! Not Dead Yet.

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October 22 2009, 08:30 AM	#6
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October 22 2009, 10:55 AM	#7
timothy1701 Lieutenant Location: Star Trek Online	Re: What happened to the First Federation? Well they did fly off with that one guy that Kirk sent with them. He wasn't too on top of things on the bridge of the Enterprise, he probably wasn't on the ball on that giant ship either...probably blew it up by mistake! __________________ "Do, or do not. There is no try."-Yoda "Kaaaaaaaaaaaahn!!!!"-Captian Kirk

October 22 2009, 10:55 AM	#8
apenpaap Commodore Location: Cardassia, where only the military metaphors work.	Re: What happened to the First Federation? Maybe they joined the Federation, and their technology (among others) was used to build the Excelsior class. __________________ The Obsidian Order: Proudly watching you since the 19th century. And looking manly in our purple hats while doing that.

October 22 2009, 02:01 PM	#10
StarryEyed Commodore Location: Florida Keys	Re: What happened to the First Federation? It's possible that Balock was a rogue and there is no First Federation. Or they may have a Prime Directive similar to the UFPs. Another important race that just disappeared was the Tamarians from "Darmok".

October 22 2009, 11:48 PM	#13
mtblillie Commander	Re: What happened to the First Federation? Lol well frankly there is a lot of things seen and discussed in TOS that were "cut out" in all the spin offs.

October 23 2009, 12:12 AM	#14
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: What happened to the First Federation? I'm curious as to why there's assumptions that just because the FF ships are big that they are also powerful, particularly powerful enough to take on Dominion ships that had at least 80 more years to develop technologically. That's like saying the Spruce Goose could kick an F-14's ass...okay, that was a lame analogy, but you see what I'm getting at. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"