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Old October 22 2009, 05:00 AM   #1
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What happened to the First Federation?

How come we never saw them again?
They became allies, they had a massive ship that could easily have done alot of damage to the dominion, borg, and
it they were just useful.

I dont see why no one saw them ever again, it is ridiculous, they really could have helped out the federation!
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Old October 22 2009, 05:05 AM   #2
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

Turns out they were the Ferengi.
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Old October 22 2009, 05:05 AM   #3
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.
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Old October 22 2009, 05:21 AM   #4
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

^ I like that theory. They could have just been highly xenophobic, like the Sheliak. And withdrawn from galactic politics altogether.
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Old October 22 2009, 06:37 AM   #5
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

nx1701g wrote: View Post
Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.
They could have helped alot with the wars and whatnot.

Also, how come the vulcans and other races never helped fight the war? but lets not get off topic, im still wondering why we never saw the first federation again..

their ships were ridiculously huge
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Old October 22 2009, 08:30 AM   #6
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

It was dismantled after word got out to the Federation Department of Community Services that children were driving around starships.
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Old October 22 2009, 10:55 AM   #7
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

Well they did fly off with that one guy that Kirk sent with them. He wasn't too on top of things on the bridge of the Enterprise, he probably wasn't on the ball on that giant ship either...probably blew it up by mistake!
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Old October 22 2009, 10:55 AM   #8
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

Maybe they joined the Federation, and their technology (among others) was used to build the Excelsior class.
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Old October 22 2009, 11:40 AM   #9
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

dave2770 wrote: View Post
I dont see why no one saw them ever again, it is ridiculous...
We did:

Ambassadors of the First Federation featured in the novel, "TNG: Gulliver's Fugitives".

Mirror Balok was well preserved in Shatner's novel, "Preserver".
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Old October 22 2009, 02:01 PM   #10
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

It's possible that Balock was a rogue and there is no First Federation. Or they may have a Prime Directive similar to the UFPs.

Another important race that just disappeared was the Tamarians from "Darmok".
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Old October 22 2009, 03:01 PM   #11
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

nx1701g wrote: View Post
Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.
That would make sense.
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Old October 22 2009, 11:40 PM   #12
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

barnaclelapse wrote: View Post
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Maybe they decided to keep to themselves and decided not to be involved with galactic affairs? It's not canon but the Starcharts suggest that the Federation has placed warning beacons around the First Federation's territory.
That would make sense.
they had huge ships, if only they would show their ships in TNG or DS9, and if they fought alongside the Fed, im sure the fed would beat the dominion.

just look at how huge their ships are

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File...remastered.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File...Enterprise.jpg
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Old October 22 2009, 11:48 PM   #13
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

Lol well frankly there is a lot of things seen and discussed in TOS that were "cut out" in all the spin offs.
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Old October 23 2009, 12:12 AM   #14
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

I'm curious as to why there's assumptions that just because the FF ships are big that they are also powerful, particularly powerful enough to take on Dominion ships that had at least 80 more years to develop technologically.

That's like saying the Spruce Goose could kick an F-14's ass...okay, that was a lame analogy, but you see what I'm getting at.
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Old October 23 2009, 12:52 AM   #15
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Re: What happened to the First Federation?

DonIago wrote: View Post
I'm curious as to why there's assumptions that just because the FF ships are big that they are also powerful, particularly powerful enough to take on Dominion ships that had at least 80 more years to develop technologically.

That's like saying the Spruce Goose could kick an F-14's ass...okay, that was a lame analogy, but you see what I'm getting at.
True.

For all we know the 1st Fed ships like Fesarius were colony ships (my personal theory) and have more defensive than offensive weaponry. After all if the Fesarius could really bring the pain, why mess with towing the 1701 with a shuttle/pilot ship? Just blow her out of the stars and keep on trucking.
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