Heroes 3x18 "Exposed" Discuss and Grade

[Dream]

http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-sho...odeid=10214844

Matt and Peter go to Building 26 to locate Daphne and the files detailing the government's plans for people with abilities; Claire receives unexpected help getting Alex out of the city; Sylar uncovers memories of his father that reveal info about his mom; and the Hunter pursues his own agenda.

[Anwar]

So, did Nathan save Peter or does Peter still have the ability to keep other powers and it's just gradually coming back?

Sylar's dad had TK powers too? Maybe that's a submerged second power Sylar always had and he didn't need to kill that guy to get TK powers originally.

EDIT: Nevermind. Nathan saved him.

[The Habs Fan]

I give it an Average. It was better than the last 2 weeks, but still not great. I liked the ending with Parkman in the suicide vest, but the love story between Aquaman and Claire-Bear was useless and badly written.

[D Man]

The Habs Fan wrote:

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I give it an Average. It was better than the last 2 weeks, but still not great. I liked the ending with Parkman in the suicide vest, but the love story between Aquaman and Claire-Bear was useless and badly written.

I agree, and I'll add that the puppeteer showing up was a nice surprise, which is rare on this show these days. Peter and Parkman's "plan" to trade a HUGE amount of evidence for one person was really stupid, but I've come to expect that . Sylar was interesting as always, and I'm glad he finally got rid of Meltman. They've dragged his search out a few episodes too long, so I'm really hoping he finds his father soon.

[melancholymecha]

I liked this weeki's ep better than the last couple ones, & I too couldnt tell if it was Nathan who flew Pete out or not... why did they make the flying look so damn fast???

I will if next week ends with Nathan carrying another exploding man into the sky...

[Daneel]

So, given this thing between Claire and Alex, I have to wonder: what the heck happened to West? I mean, I think it's safe to say he's no longer in the picture, but why is that? Not that I'm complaining about him being gone, of course. Good riddance. Maybe if we're lucky he somehow got trapped in a now non-existent future too (seriously, has Peter even once thought about Caitlin since Season 2? What's up with this show and all the dropped storylines and characters? Do they think we don't notice?).

Anyway, tonight's episode: like most, it was predictable. The action in the Bennet household contained no big surprises (with the romance angle and the government agents not catching Alex), but it was nice to see that Sandra has learned a trick or two in the past year.

Matt, the Petrellis, Noah, Hunter: decent, although Peter could have planned the trade a bit better. On the scale of his boneheaded decisions, though, this isn't among the worst (not that that's saying much ). And as much as I loathe the prophetic painting angle from last week, it's kind of interesting to see how the suicide bomber vision is unfolding. That Hunter is one ruthless SOB, I'll give him that. I'm curious to see what comes of this next week (not that I'm expecting them to actually blow up Matt, of course).

As for Sylar and his quest to find his father... So, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, apparently. I just hope they don't try to convince us that it's his dad's fault that he became a killer, because that would be lame.

[startrekwatcher]

Average.

Not bad really just not that interesting. The problem is if you are going to do a serialized series you need to come up with a few interesting threads that you develop over the season with the key being to hold the audience's attention and build up from the previous episode.

I've noticed this being an issue with BSG and Heroes. The writers fill airspace for 3/4 of an episode with "stuff" that really feels like standalone material and then introduces a series of teasers that actually are interesting only to follow them up not at all or in a very bland way. Successful serials make the stuff in between interesting and build from what came before with each subsequent chapter in the arc even better than the last. It is obvious Heroes isn't in all liklihood going to get back what it once was and I have no idea why I keep watching it other than curiosity of how it will end. Even Matt as a human bomb, which should have been a somewhat exciting moment felt ho hum.

Sylar's discovery initially seemed like it might be interesting then the revelation felt convenient and clumsy--not at all natural. I did like the selection of Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" though. Nathan is suffering multiple personalities--one minute ready to round them up and then the next helping Peter. More predictable cat and mouse. I said last week it would get old with the run-ins with the government and then escapes. It has. The characters aren't engaging me beyond Angela. The show is failing at being a plot-driven series which even if I'm not into the characters I can at least enjoy the ride like I did with Enterprise with the Xindi arc and the show is failing at being an interesting quiet character driven show because try as it might the attempts at the quieter moments aren't working for me.

Frankly I'll be glad when BSG and Heroes both end. Ironically, it looks like Lost is the only one of these type of series to finish without going off the rails.

[Dorian Thompson]

Is it me or is Sylar's story becoming a total snooze? He can only emote in a sinister monologue for so long. The man's an island.

Claire didn't make me want to strangle her for once. That was a welcome change of pace; Sandra was beyond awesome. I think I actually...enjoyed parts of this episode. That's a nice change of pace. Mr. Muggles coming up with that HUGE sandwich of appeasement was LOL funny.

Peter wasn't completely stupid, also a nice change of pace. Finally a reversal of the hug of power. Score one point for Peter for refusing to trust Nathan. Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, how naive can you be? He must be a Republican to have believed that detention camps would be a useful tactic. It only makes enemies of the innocent, and WHY HASN'T ANYONE OUTED NATHAN AS SOMEONE WHO CAN FLY???????

Also, why is it a rule that everyone young shirtless man on television must shave his chest? Dammit, I like a hairy chest on a man. Better not get rid of Sylar yet, I guess. Nathan has a bit of a hairy chest, too, but he hasn't been shirtless since season one. He's only useful for the pretty, so he may as well get naked more often.

[hyzmarca]

They've hit the point where they're afraid to kill people.

Season 1 was Anyone Can Die. Season 2 was Anyone Can Die but we'll Always Bring Them Back to Lie. Villains was Only Minor Characters and Takeo Kensei can die. Now, we've got Mooks and Redshirt Can Die But Only If They Fight Sylar.

I think that the switch between the original premise of a constantly rotating cast to their current core cast approach really took something away from the whole show. They've fallen into creative cowardice, not wanting to alter the core dynamic of the show, and that's impacting quality, it has been for a while. While they're getting back on track with the writing, the cowardice remains and the characters are becoming static.

Currently, the only interesting characters are Angela, HRG, and Sylar, becuase they're the only dynamic characters. The others are just stuck in a rutt, existing but never actually doing anything. Nathan is close to being interesting, but doesn't quite make it this volume.

The apparent revelation about Sylar's father is a bit meh. Really. I'd expecting something more subtle and interesting, not something that's been done a thousand times before.

Currently, Heroes can be brought back onto the rails, but that requires major changes to the core characters, higher stunt and SFX budgets, the big disposable casts of Season 1, less prophesy, logical conflicts, logical actions, logical consequences, and more follow-through.

[Dorian Thompson]

I wouldn't count on that higher budget too much. With last week's season low of under 7 million viewers, NBC isn't about to give the hugely expensive Heroes a budget increase.

Yeah, Nathan's almost interesting, but they'll never go too far with him or with anyone not named Sylar for that matter. They could kill off Hiro and Mohinder to trim the dead weight....but they won't. If I were in charge of cast changes, I'd trim it down to a core cast of Angela, Nathan, HRG, Sandra, Peter, and Tracy. Maybe bring back Micah. Get rid of everyone else.

[firehawk12]

So, is this the point where Fuller is supposed to have taken over the show?
Anyway, pretty bland episode. Will Parkman die? Probably not... if they didn't even want to kill Daphne. So what's the point?

[Alidar Jarok]

startrekwatcher wrote:

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Even Matt as a human bomb, which should have been a somewhat exciting moment felt ho hum.

Yeah, that honestly felt underwhelming to me as well.

Sylar's discovery initially seemed like it might be interesting then the revelation felt convenient and clumsy--not at all natural. I did like the selection of Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" though.

Black and white flashback with a song appropriate for the time period? I thought I was watching an episode of Cold Case

Nathan is suffering multiple personalities--one minute ready to round them up and then the next helping Peter.

That at least tends to make sense for him. I never expecting him to let his brother die.

the show is failing at being an interesting quiet character driven show because try as it might the attempts at the quieter moments aren't working for me.

Honestly, I was talking during the quiet moments because they weren't interesting. I predicted that pool scene for about two episodes. That being said, she can't drown either, so it wasn't exactly necessary. He could also just live in a pool. He doesn't need to surface and it would be a good hiding space.

Frankly I'll be glad when BSG and Heroes both end. Ironically, it looks like Lost is the only one of these type of series to finish without going off the rails.

I'm giving the new writer taking over in Heroes a chance before I give up on the show. But there needs to be a noticeable turnaround.

And where the hell is Hiro?

[Jaron]

Alidar Jarok wrote:

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And where the hell is Hiro?

Shh! If we don't mention him, maybe the writers will forget about him. And if the writers forget about him, we don't need to see him go to France to stop a birthday party or whatever his next sidequest is.

[hyzmarca]

Hiro and Mohinder were originally great audience perspective characters, though for very different reasons. With Hiro, we got to see the classic hero's journey and experience with fresh eyes, eyes tinted by the pop culture that we ourselves grew up with. With Mohinder, we got to see the world of superpowers from the perspective of a mortal outsider like ourselves.

And then they dropped the ball, because, ultimately, they had no clue what to do with either of them. Hiro's journey should have taken him from naive child to responsible adult, but they arrested that journey because they felt that naive sold better. Thus, he remains childlike in ways that he should not be. Mohinder, should have been the Professor X of the story, continuing his father's work and providing an alternative to The Company. Instead, they turned him into Spiderman.

[Dorian Thompson]

They didn't turn him into spiderman. They turned him into someone with the intelligence quotient of Rihanna. Get screwed over by the company and get beaten up? Go back for more.