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Old March 4 2009, 03:14 AM   #271
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Re: 24 Day 7: 6:00PM - 8:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

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So, the political bias of other, unidentified television programs excuses the neoconservative bias of this show how exactly?
I'm not going to argue with someone who is going to pretend there is no left leaning bias in over 90% of television.

Anyway...spout your crap in TNZ where you all have ran off everyone who doesn't think like you.
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Old March 4 2009, 03:20 AM   #272
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Re: 24 Day 7: 6:00PM - 8:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

If you'd like to make an argument, it's customary that you provide a few examples. It would be interesting to see how "The A-Team," or either of the "Stargate" shows, just to provide two examples that span three decades espouse a left-wing ideology.

But that wasn't my point at all. Let me restate it so you understand: How does the political bias of other television series (regardless of the bias) excuse 24?
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Old March 4 2009, 03:24 AM   #273
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Re: 24 Day 7: 6:00PM - 8:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

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So, uh, how about Annie Wersching and Sprague Grayden?
Hot girl-on-girl action is called for.
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Old March 4 2009, 05:10 AM   #274
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Re: 24 Day 7: 6:00PM - 8:00PM: Discussion and Spoilers

I don't think 24 needs excusing. Television doesn't have to avoid making a statement. In fact, it shouldn't. Just because you don't agree with the statement doesn't mean something's wrong with it.
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Old March 4 2009, 06:02 AM   #275
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I never knew Area 51 had a branch in D.C.!

and you should continue not knowing

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Old March 4 2009, 07:28 AM   #276
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So, the political bias of other, unidentified television programs excuses the neoconservative bias of this show how exactly?
No it doesn't excuses it nor does 24 or any other show for that matter require any excuses in order to project political slant.

Consider the show Boston Legal. While I was a big fan of the show however I wasn't a big fan of its politics since it had a very strong liberal bias. A few conservative fans of the show on this board (not me mine you) occasionally brought up that bias in grading threads and usually they were simply told (sometimes in a rather scathing manner) to stopping taking the politics seriously or just stopping watching the show. The response you received from Archangel couldn't be any more predicable. You are of course free to make any opinions about the politics of any show but naturally you should also expect some strong responses to it from the people in the opposite political spectrum. Or you could do what I prefer to do i.e. ignore the politics and just enjoy for what it is: mindless fluff.
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Old March 4 2009, 08:00 AM   #277
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I'm going to be the voice of dissent. I gave both episodes a "Terrible" rating.

This felt like I was watching Voyager's "Basics" all over again, right down to Maje Culluh slapping Janeway, I mean President Taylor, around. (I still say they should have gotten Mulgrew for that job). Why, because the plan was so ridiculously dumb that it never should have worked but instead we get contrivance after contrivance to explain why it did.

I've had a while to think about this because having seen Sky One promos for this season for months, I knew that this was coming. They included a very brief shot of Juma in what was clearly the White House. I gave them a chance to explain how the most critical building in the entire United States could be so easily overrun and they didn't take it.

Next problem is Juma himself. If it was some of 24's previous villains I could understand it, Marwan might have died to kill the President of the United States. Juma strikes me as much more of a "make the other guy die for his cause" type. They've said he's going to send a message but what message is that ? What's the point ? His country is already occupied by the US.

I don't particularly enjoy being hit over the head with the torture arguments either.
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Old March 4 2009, 09:18 AM   #278
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Oh! And, seriously. They're all pussy-footing around over, "OMG Where's the D.C. target going to be? We've no idea, where! Let's discuss and fret over it while standing in the single most imporant building on the entire fucking planet!!! As soon as the words "D.C." and "attack" were said in the same sentence the President should've been down in the Secret Super Bunker seen last season.
I know, that was driving me crazy. They kept getting closer and closer to the White House with every step, yet it practically took them looking at the damn thing (albeit through the forest of make believe that apparently exists near 24's White House) and talking to Agent Red to realize that it was the target.

What the hell else is Juma going to attack in the middle of the night? The nearly empty Capitol? The gigantic Pentagon on the opposite side of the river with its hundreds of military personnel on-site 24/7? The Washington Monument in order to destroy DC's manhood?

Every one of these complaints and what Hermiod mentions are completely valid, but I don't know what it is about that show that just makes me forgive and even laugh off these rampant cliches and enjoy the ride.
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Old March 4 2009, 10:47 AM   #279
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You know, when Pierce mentioned he worked for five administrations, three were in four years and four were in eight years, so that's not very long. :P

Maybe the guy before Palmer actually made it to eight years.

Also, where did all the terrorists guarding the exits come from? When they showed the split screen of Candyman walking to the boat from two different angles, were they trying to act like there were more soldiers? Maybe all you need to do is add water and they multiply.

I wonder if Candyman and friends passed Nicolas Cage going the other way.
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Old March 4 2009, 10:48 AM   #280
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Jack has a plan.

He never would have opened the door without a plan. The President's "plea as a parent" didn't do the trick.

Jack has a plan ...

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Old March 4 2009, 11:33 AM   #281
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All of this is obviously designed to keep us viewers busy until "the shipment" arrives - supposedly in two hours so I imagine this White House business will be done by then.

This is all getting a bit too season four, with distraction after distraction.
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Old March 4 2009, 12:47 PM   #282
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Every one of these complaints and what Hermiod mentions are completely valid, but I don't know what it is about that show that just makes me forgive and even laugh off these rampant cliches and enjoy the ride.
Same, I mean the whole thing was just silly but I guess you just have to accept it. Like transporters and warpdrive.

In 24 it's logic incosistancies and killer cougars.

I mean, I still seriously think that was one of the best hours/nights of 24 in a long-assed time, if not ever. It was tense and just great, great stuff.

But damn if it wasn't silly.
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Old March 4 2009, 12:50 PM   #283
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Jack has a plan ...
Agreed.

It's crazy, half-baked and filled with win and WTF but he has a plan!

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Old March 4 2009, 02:00 PM   #284
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Now I know why this felt so familiar...

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Old March 4 2009, 03:46 PM   #285
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They didn't really know there was an attack on DC until, what about 20 minutes? And the underground attack was very implausible, so I'm sure that they didn't seriously consider an attack on the WH very likely until it was already under way.
The torturing on the show doesn't bother my too much, torturing to get intel has very limited uses, this being a TV show they can manufacture those conditions at will. In real life how often do you know your target has reliable intel, and there is an extremely imminent threat.
However, it does seem like Jacks methods this year are having more permanent effects on his targets.
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