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View Poll Results: Grade the movie
A+ 49 16.78%
A 66 22.60%
A- 56 19.18%
B+ 34 11.64%
B 24 8.22%
B- 16 5.48%
C+ 13 4.45%
C 9 3.08%
C- 5 1.71%
D+ 2 0.68%
D 9 3.08%
D- 5 1.71%
F 4 1.37%
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Old March 7 2009, 04:10 PM   #76
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Re: WATCHMEN - Movie Discussion and Grading (SPOILERS)

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D.

Pretty bad.
So you've seen Watchmen...

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Are the slow-mo fighting scenes as lame as I suspect they are?
... or maybe you really haven't seen Watchmen?
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Old March 7 2009, 06:03 PM   #77
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Norrin Radd wrote: View Post
D.

Pretty bad.
So you've seen Watchmen...

Norrin Radd wrote: View Post
Are the slow-mo fighting scenes as lame as I suspect they are?
... or maybe you really haven't seen Watchmen?
Whoa! I hadn't even noticed that. Good eye!
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Old March 7 2009, 06:08 PM   #78
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Eliminating the fucking squid turned out to be a smart thing to do - the change elevated and focused the thematic aspects of the ending. The literal squid functioned mainly as a distracting - and disappointing - parody of superhero comic story telling, which was fine in a comic book but useless in a film of this kind.

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Old March 7 2009, 06:14 PM   #79
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Anthony Lane, the film critic of The New Yorker, did an outstanding job of describing my feelings regarding Watchmen (and Moore's stuff in general).

To summarize, superhero stories are always going to fundamentally be adolescent power fantasies. The best way to handle this is represented by the Iron Man movie - just admit it, don't dwell on it, move on and tell a story. You might have a worthwhile thought or two on the way, and you'll definitely have fun.

Or you could end up with this:

“Watchmen,” like “V for Vendetta,” harbors ambitions of political satire, and, to be fair, it should meet the needs of any leering nineteen-year-old who believes that America is ruled by the military-industrial complex, and whose deepest fear—deeper even than that of meeting a woman who requests intelligent conversation—is that the Warren Commission may have been right all along. The problem is that Snyder, following Moore, is so insanely aroused by the look of vengeance, and by the stylized application of physical power, that the film ends up twice as fascistic as the forces it wishes to lampoon. The result is perfectly calibrated for its target group: nobody over twenty-five could take any joy from the savagery that is fleshed out onscreen, just as nobody under eighteen should be allowed to witness it. You want to see Rorschach swing a meat cleaver repeatedly into the skull of a pedophile, and two dogs wrestle over the leg bone of his young victim? Go ahead. You want to see the attempted rape of a superwoman, her bright latex costume cast aside and her head banged against the baize of a pool table? The assault is there in Moore’s book, one panel of which homes in on the blood that leaps from her punched mouth, but the pool table is Snyder’s own embroidery. You want to hear Moore’s attempt at urban jeremiad? “This awful city, it screams like an abattoir full of retarded children.” That line from the book may be meant as a punky retread of James Ellroy, but it sounds to me like a writer trying much, much too hard; either way, it makes it directly into the movie, as one of Rorschach’s voice-overs. (And still the adaptation won’t be slavish enough for some.) Amid these pompous grabs at horror, neither author nor director has much grasp of what genuine, unhyped suffering might be like, or what pity should attend it; they are too busy fussing over the fate of the human race—a sure sign of metaphysical vulgarity—to be bothered with lesser plights. In the end, with a gaping pit where New York used to be, most of the surviving Watchmen agree that the loss of the Eastern Seaboard was a small price to pay for global peace. Incoherent, overblown, and grimy with misogyny, “Watchmen” marks the final demolition of the comic strip, and it leaves you wondering: where did the comedy go?
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Old March 7 2009, 06:47 PM   #80
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Well, both Lane and you have missed the point of Watchmen completely (and the broader implication, that comics can't be a vehicle for dealing with complex and series stories, is nonsense).

Also, a big roll of the eyes to Lane for gratuitous condescension and stereotyping of the audience.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:48 PM   #81
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Lane is a pretentious tool who said little that was observant, less that was smart, and nothing original about this movie or about comics in general.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:48 PM   #82
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A+? A* more like

Simply outstandingly awesome. I had a huge grin on my face solid for 2 and half hours.
I can't really give a detailed review other than just fucking excellent.
I rarely see films more than once at the cinema but I know I'll be going again to this.

Rorschach was just incredible...
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This film didn't so much hit the nail on the head, but smashed it into a bloody pulp
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Old March 7 2009, 06:50 PM   #83
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Well, both Lane and you have missed the point of Watchmen completely (and the broader implication, that comics can't be a vehicle for dealing with complex and series stories, is nonsense).

Also, a big roll of the eyes to Lane for gratuitous condescension and stereotyping of the audience.
Lane clearly assumes that his reading audience does not read these kinds of things, is unfamiliar with them and will therefore absorb whatever simplistic nonsense he offers as wisdom.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:51 PM   #84
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Agreed. His "where did the comedy go?" finisher says it all really.
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Old March 7 2009, 06:53 PM   #85
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Saw this movie last night : Solid A.

It was so faithful to the comic that hell even the actors looked EXACTLY like the characters in the comic. I was very happy with this movie.

I loved how they umped up Silk Specter's fighting scenes. As well as making her costume sexier...
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Old March 7 2009, 06:56 PM   #86
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The shag scenes were damn near pornographic.

That's not a complaint.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:02 PM   #87
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A, A+ for what has to be in the DC. It was better than I thought it would be from what I heard/saw.

Might lose any geek cred I had for this, but I think the movie is an improvement over the book. It's not as great as the book in terms of cultural impact. But, all the changes were for the best. Thought they would make me mad. They all worked. Although without the original ending, I'd rather Bubastis be a simple white tiger.

also: Laurie seemed like an actual person instead of just a prop. The Rorschach flashback was better. The movie had more style.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:03 PM   #88
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I liked it better than the comic.
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Old March 7 2009, 07:12 PM   #89
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The shag scenes were damn near pornographic.

That's not a complaint.
Same here. Laurie naked plus the big boots on....
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Old March 7 2009, 07:28 PM   #90
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About the only thing good about Laurie in this movie.

Lane's an asshole. Just another pompus, elitist critic.

As crazy as the squid was, I would have kept it in. An external threat is the only thing that could have brought these powers together AND wanting to build for a better future. Why should the other countries care about trying to "make America a better place" when it was their "imperialist weapon" that did all the damage? Not to mention I can't see Veidt manipulating Manhatten for 15 years. The squid's a better visual than a generic CGI explosion. The only strengths of the new scenes are making the crisis bigger and giving Manhatten a more central role in it.
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