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Old March 2 2009, 07:55 PM   #121
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Re: Terminator-216 "SMWWSMS" - Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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Which one was Walsh looking for? Zoe's father or Winston? I suspect Zoe's father.
Yeah, this in itself almost seems like an error. If Winston survived (which I still find very hard to believe given how close the gun was to him) and was taken away to receive medical treatment just like Sarah, Weaver should have known something about that. Perhaps she already was looking for Winston, but that's not how that episode played out. He should've been an easy target to find.

While it is not impossible, it would also be drastic for Weaver to shut down her own operation like that, if it was hers. In the intercepted message, they were referring to an evacuation and "you know the drill", so procedures in case of a security breach were in place. Even if Weaver simply does not tolerate sloppyness (the unsecured line), wouldn't killing the persons directly responsible have worked?
Weaver has this strange tendency to kill people for the slightest reasons. She first killed one of her employees just because he expressed doubts in her. I could see her killing everybody involved there over the breach. Weaver tells John Henry that his interception of that transmission was a mistake. If it's some rival company of Weaver's, you'd think that it wasn't a mistake at all. She needed to destroy every trace that might lead back to her. She must be aware of resistance factions, and she probably assumes it was a resistance member who shot Winston.

On the producer's blog, the return of at least one S1 character - previously unseen in S2, so not Charlie - has been announced. There aren't that many candidates; Carter is one of them (I guess Cheri, Morris, Terissa Dyson, Dr. Silberman are the most prominent of the others). So, maybe "he'll be back".
That sounds interesting, but I still have doubts that it's Carter. He was meant to be forgotten. I have the feeling that the one returning would be Andy Goode or one of Derek's associates when he was imprisoned in that house, since that basement mystery is supposedly going to have some light shed on it.

Weaver's character is rather ambiguous now. She kills easily, true, but Cameron is almost as quick to kill. The most curious thing about Weaver is why she would possibly want JH to learn "morals", and she does seem to spend a wee bit more effort on Savannah than strictly necessary for her cover. At the moment, we don't know what Weaver's exact goal is, but she doesn't act the way Carter did. Her "crossing against the light" comments early on were also interesting.
I don't think she ever really wanted specifically to teach it morals so much as Ellison convinced her that JH needs to learn morals. Perhaps she's ok with it seeing as how Ellison's "morals" are Biblical and she was all quoting the Bible before. Plus, it's possible that the Skynet she knew developed with those morals. Given the nature of the Bible, Skynet might be acting as God did in the Old Testament, or disregarding those morals knowing that the book isn't exactly flawless. It wouldn't be the first time it was used to start conflict. I'd rather the religion stuff not be the case, but it might be what the writers are going for.

As for Savannah, she really hasn't had a reason to kill her. She poses no threat, and gives Catherine an opportunity to study humanity more. It's certainly not genuine compassion because her character is shown to be void of that in relation to other humans. It's also possible that Savannah grows to be someone important.

That does not have to mean she is pro-human in any way, but what if she was send back by a Skynet that was desperate and losing the war in the future, and they may want to try another approach instead of nuking everything?
That's a possibility, but it's strange to have a Skynet that wants to kill John Connor or other resistance members, yet somehow just this one terminator has such a different motive. I could accept it as a rogue terminator faction from the future or something, but even that seems like a stretch here.

Allthough it does seem that Winston and Zoey's dad, who were the killers in the operation, may have known more than the other employees. They did make off with the drone, in any case.
Yes, I found it curious that they were the ones who survived and were both on that surveillance video. They have a potential to be "grays" from the future.
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Old March 2 2009, 08:19 PM   #122
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We know that Terminators can learn, but that Skynet physically locks their chips to prevent them from self-programing so that they'll never be able to rebel. A deleted scene from T2 has John remove this safeguard from Ahnold's chip, and he becomes less robotic and more human as the movie continues.

But the 1000 series is made entirely of poly-mimetic alloy, and thus one cannot just install a physical lock to prevent them from altering their own programing. Eventually, as a 1000 series model experiences and learns, it will develop it's own opinions, preferences, and goals, which may conflict with Skynet.

In creating John Henry, Weaver is designing the AI that she wants, not necessarily the one that Skynet wants to be. If John Henry does become Skynet, it's goals and motivations might be vastly different than the original and Weaver is likely to have a special place in it's plans.
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Old March 3 2009, 12:47 AM   #123
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Considering Andy Goode is dead, I doubt he's coming back. Unless it's in another vision (please no).
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Old March 3 2009, 02:18 AM   #124
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They keep changing the past so that there are many different timelines with Andys alive and dead, being sent back to different points in history or staying home... They could be drowning in Andys for all we know.

The actor is quite amusing in the Tim Roth ULTRADRAMA: "Lie to Me" currently.
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Old March 3 2009, 02:39 AM   #125
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Old March 3 2009, 02:48 AM   #126
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The returning characters from season one are likely the Four Horsemen. They were the characters that went back in time with Derek Reese. The two parter "Today is the Day" is a Future War set story (partially).
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Old March 3 2009, 04:58 AM   #127
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Hey everybody, there's this:

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Old March 3 2009, 05:39 AM   #128
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My interest is duly piqued!
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Old March 3 2009, 06:01 AM   #129
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^ They've said that the last episodes of the season will be action packed.
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Old March 3 2009, 06:37 AM   #130
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Old March 3 2009, 06:48 AM   #131
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Well, this was a giant fucking waste of time. I am to the point that I genuinely don't if the show gets canceled.

Christ, it wasn't that long ago that I was a cheerleader for this show. It's amazing how quickly it has gone down the shithole.
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Old March 3 2009, 08:45 AM   #132
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^ The more action oriented episodes are the remaining ones.
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Old March 3 2009, 03:11 PM   #133
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I'm not concerned about the action... I just want it to be interesting and/or compelling.
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Old March 3 2009, 04:58 PM   #134
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I'm not concerned about the action... I just want it to be interesting and/or compelling.
I feel the same way, but I will stick with it for the same reason I stuck with Smallville. If there is a current TV show about Superman I will watch it pretty much no matter what. Terminator just falls in that category for me.

Although I will say Smallville has never bored or confused me as much as last week's ep of Terminator did. Sheesh.

Then again, BSG - while a much better show, did the exact same thing for the last 2 weeks when they only have 3 hours left til the finish line. Maybe it is just me.
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Old March 3 2009, 05:00 PM   #135
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You're welcome. I knew somebody in this thread would enjoy that. You know, I've never been one of those guys who goes ga ga over tv stars or looks up their pictures, but DAMN I am so into The Rivernator.
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